OK Supreme Court: Ten Commandments Monument Must Be Removed From Capitol

a reply to: Logarock

Yes good! That would be great! Still love the avatar there flower girl!

Yes, good!!!!!
Wow. Thank you for accepting and acknowledging what I have BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!!! You really surprised me with that one.

You have earned some respect from me!! (For what it's worth) (And I really did like the little girl 'pushing' the bear avy that you had long ago.)


*fist bump*

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: grandmakdw


That is the equivalent of saying, well we will tolerate (how generous of you);
we will understand (how condescending) Christians until each one as an
individual does something to deserve respect, we refuse to respect them,
that each individual must prove their worth, while all the others do not deserve respect.

Hmmm. that is kind of how I approach all people? Why would I assign respect without cause?


I approach everyone with toleration and understanding until I know them well enough to also potentially respect them.

History has proven that the mere declaration or self-identifying as "Christian" by itself should not afford someone special status of respect. Christianity includes Mother Theresa and Ted Haggard (Meth and prostitutes)...it includes clergy that save peoples lives and clergy that molest children and hide the same from the public.

I afford Christians no special skepticism or faith. Each one of us earns our respect in the world by our deeds and actions, not our self-proclamations of virtue.

Wow, you and Buzzywigs have explained a great deal to me about the thinking of people on ATS.

I always respect everyone until they do something that takes away my respect for them.

Your and Buzzywigs idea is to respect no one,
no one at all until as an individual they earn your respect.

So your philosophy is to go around being suspicious and assuming the worst of everyone,
until they do something good in your eyes,
and then and only then will you accord them any respect.

Wow, that concept is so foreign to my thinking.

My philosophy is to behave as if I respect everyone
to be respectful of everyone
to actually respect all persons, regardless of skin color, orientation, religion,
until they prove themselves to not be worthy of being respected.

Sad, that you and Buzzy
go around being suspicious
and thinking you don't have to be respectful to anyone,
unless they do something
that forces you to respect them.

What a negative and downer approach to other human beings.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Sad, that you and Buzzy
go around being suspicious
and thinking you don't have to be respectful to anyone,
unless they do something
that forces you to respect them.

What a negative and downer approach to other human beings.

Good god, lady. *facepalm*

FORCE? You are confusing respecting someone's RIGHTS, and being DECENT to them with respecting them as individuals.

You can't FORCE ME to respect you! I respect your rights, because I am a good citizen. Period. I don't really know you. I know what you say on ATS. If you want my respect, then establish some kind of grounds for that to happen.

I am the kind of person who is naturally inclined to TRUST people - and I have been burned too many times by that, and have learned that my TRUST is sometimes misplaced.
I do not RESPECT Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. I do not RESPECT Hillary Clinton. I RESPECT Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
I RESPECT Pope Francis. I respect many, many people on this forum who have shown that they are worthwhile and thoughtful and intelligent, even if they disagree with me.
I RESPECT the fact that you are trying to stop other Christians from sullying your reputation. I respect your right to do so.

Calm down! You'll give yourself a stroke.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw

Then why did you type this:
And I am saying it is wrong, evil, hateful
to condemn a group as large as Christians
and tell them until all of them do
whatever it is you think they should do,
they don't deserve respect.

Hmmm?

I am saying that you are holding Christians in condemnation,
until they each individually do something that makes
you respect them.

You say you refuse to respect anyone who hasn't proven to you
their worthiness of your respect,
to respect people is to be respectful of people.

If you don't respect people you can not be respectful because your
inner motivation is one of disrespect for all, and that inevitably
is demonstrated in behavior, body language, tone of voice,
until they prove their worthiness you you.

Until then you seem to reserve the right, which I guess is your right,
to condemn all Christians as bad people.
Do you also, to be fair and non-judgemental
also condemn all Black people as bad, and all
LGBT people as bad, and all Muslims as bad, until they prove to
you through their actions that they are not.

What a sad way to approach the world and other humans.
To assume the worst of them until they satisfy your requirement of goodness and worthiness of respect.

I am not upset in the least, I am simply explaining that what you are saying is that no one is worthy of respect until you decide they are and that is how you treat others and live your life.

I on the other hand respect everyone until they prove they are not deserving of my respect. We hold completely opposite points of view on how to approach other humans and how to approach life and how to approach the world.

That's perfectly ok,
now I understand that you won't respect anyone
at all
until they prove to you as an individual
that they are worthy of you and your respect.
Fine if that is how you want to approach people, but
pretty depressing too if you ask me. Not my cup of tea.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I am saying that you are holding Christians in condemnation,
until they each individually do something that makes
you respect them.

GODDAMMIT!!!

I AM NOT CONDEMNING ANYONE!!!

Okay, I'm done with you. I see I missed that narrow and fleeting window of opportunity to discuss things without you flying off the handle....you were doing really well with being reasonable and respectful with Krazysh0t and windword.

My bad for 'expecting' that you might be willing to back off in regards to your heated attacks on me.

*watches the seedling of respect for you because of your upstanding criticism of rabid Christians wither and die*

I guess you just can't help yourself.

Have a good night.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw

I am saying that you are holding Christians in condemnation,
until they each individually do something that makes
you respect them.

GODDAMMIT!!!

I AM NOT CONDEMNING ANYONE!!!

Okay, I'm done with you. I see I missed that narrow and fleeting window of opportunity to discuss things without you flying off the handle....you were doing really well with being reasonable and respectful with Krazysh0t and windword.

My bad for 'expecting' that you might be willing to back off in regards to your heated attacks on me.

*watches the seedling of respect for you because of your upstanding criticism of rabid Christians wither and die*

I guess you just can't help yourself.

Have a good night.

Sorry I upset you so badly.

To refuse to respect someone
is condemning them as bad
and not worthy of respect.

To say I can not respect you
is a condemnation
if you don't know the person
or anything about the person.

Good night.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

GODDAMMIT!!!

I AM NOT CONDEMNING ANYONE!!!

I'm beyond words.

a reply to: grandmakdw

If you want respect, be

RESPECTABLE.


I'm out. Mods should be along shortly.

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a reply to: xuenchen

Finally!!!

I didn't say "you" then, did I? I said IT! And yes, I think God SHOULD damn these ridiculous hysterical IDEAS AND ACTIONS.

Really, all you in my haters club, I'm out. It's been great. Fun.

"Respect" is a very tricky word. To some people, it means kindness, but to others, it means obedience (for example, a slave "respecting" his master).

The only "respect" required by The Law/Constitution, is to respect people as citizens with certain Rights/Liberties given by The Constitution.

Respect....

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originally posted by: grandmakdw

So your philosophy is to go around being suspicious and assuming the worst of everyone,
until they do something good in your eyes,
and then and only then will you accord them any respect.

How on earth did you get that out of what we said?

Where did anyone say anything about assuming the worst of people???

I am certainly starting to think less of you with your dishonest tactics? Since you clearly read my post and chose to dishonestly represent what I said?

NO...I do not "respect" people for declaring themselves Christian as if that affords them special virtue. I respect people for their Character, their Compassion, their deeds and many other things.

If you are unfamiliar with the concept of "Respect is earned"..by yourself and others, something I and I assume others where taught at a young age, then I do not have the time to explain the concept to you.

No interest in a conversation where you intentionally misconstrue what I have said...THAT I do not respect.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: JAK


it even says ''IN GOD WE TRUST'' on $, I bet that's a Christian God seeing as it is the Christian word for God.

That's not the Christian word for God, that's the English word. It would also describe Apollo. In the old testament it was the tetragrammaton or Jehovah. In the Greek new testament it was Theos, which was also used by Socrates to describe Apollo. In Latin the word for God, Deus is derivative of Zeus which itself has older Indo-European roots.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Kromlech

Obviously further proof of the prosecution of the christians in this once great christian nation!

/sarc off.

For those that are against this ruling, would you be okay with any other religions monument on state capital grounds?

Just to keep things current, what would the outrage be if it was a muslim monument?

Why yes!

Can't have any reminders that GOD only needed 10 laws. While man has made thousands, and continues to keep making more laws.

That the first 10 already cover.

a reply to: neo96

4 of them deal with worshiping god, so you mean 6 right?

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Kromlech

Obviously further proof of the prosecution of the christians in this once great christian nation!

/sarc off.

For those that are against this ruling, would you be okay with any other religions monument on state capital grounds?

Just to keep things current, what would the outrage be if it was a muslim monument?

Why yes!

Can't have any reminders that GOD only needed 10 laws. While man has made thousands, and continues to keep making more laws.

That the first 10 already cover.

Well, that's an interesting twist! Since homosexuality isn't forbidden, or addressed, in the 10 Commandments, I guess we can rack that whole ordeal up to "man's law"! Whew, what a relief that's all cleared up!

a reply to: windword

Sure is an interesting twist.

Church 'morality/laws' = BAD.

The government which has replaced the church decreeing what's moral and whats not= Good.

Absolutely true the 10 commandents don't say nothing about 'homosexuality' was there a point ?

BTW 'mans laws' is more effinged up than the church.

Been a few thousand years since the church has thrown anyone in jail or made them pay them.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: neo96

4 of them deal with worshiping god, so you mean 6 right?

As opposed to defying the state ?

I must have missed the difference.

At least God doesn't need the NSA to spy on us.

Dunno why there are so many bigots on here.

Hating god. Hating christians, Hating the 10 commandents.

What are those haters afraid the 'christian' might rub off ?

Hey people. It's just a GD piece of paper yo.

a reply to: neo96

What does laws about worship have to do with defying the state?

I must have missed the connection...

Well I am sure you will come back with "people worship the state like a god"

And if that is your stance


If it is just a GD piece of paper, what is the big deal of getting rid of it?