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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: grandmakdw
Except for me, when was the last post that even mentioned the topic? Talk about thread drift, since I was here last the thread has gone off the cliff.
So let's get back on topic
Bruce Prescott, an ordained Baptist minister who was one of the plaintiffs in the case against the statue, said that the statue is “unavoidable” to people walking near the Capitol building, and it gives the impression that the state endorses Christianity as an official religion.
“I’m not opposed to Ten Commandment monuments; I’m opposed to them on government property,” he told The Washington Post on Tuesday. “How do you take a covenant between God and his people and make it a secular monument?”
Prescott added that Baptists have historically defended the separation of church and state and have insisted that religious texts continue to be interpreted in a religious context.
“If you’re saying that it’s no longer religious, what have you done to religion?” he said. “They’ve just completely destroyed the significance and value of the words.”
The emphasis is mine. An interesting position - how do you feel about it?
I actually agree with him. It's religious - posting it in front of government buildings changes it's meaning. For everyone
I'm not Christian. Should the government building that I look to to be the seat of power for my state - and which should above all else represent all it's constituents - be using the bible for anything at all?
That piece of religious art wasn't there historically. It was placed there specifically by a few people in 2012
Article II, Section V of the state constitution specifies that “no public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such.”
“It� ��s probably good for them to have an open and honest conversation instead of playing games,” he added.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SubTruth
Name ONE legislative attempt to actually BAN guns within the last 15 years instead of restrict them. Just one.
originally posted by: SubTruth
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SubTruth
Name ONE legislative attempt to actually BAN guns within the last 15 years instead of restrict them. Just one.
It is all about getting a foot in the door.......Jews did not think guns were being banned when they had to start registering them...........I do not want to stray off topic and we can continue this another time in another thread and ya I know I brought it up.
I follow a simple mindset.......I think we should follow the constitution and individual rights. It can be hard at times because you believe in something that goes against that. Another poster brought up military memorials...........He is right. And it raises questions in mind about separation of church and state.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I do not fit into the current political boxes everyone else tries to fit in.........I keep it simple now. I believe we should follow the constitution and put individual rights first. Heck even the political spectrum is corrupted today. Left is right and right is left.
The political spectrum is best described by control.....Laws/regulations. The right historically is for less laws and regulations and the far right would actually be anarchy with no laws or regulations. The left historically is for more laws and regulations and that means the far left is fascism.......Truth be told fascism is always an Oligarchy form of government.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I wasn't denying that difference. That difference is certainly correct. I was dispelling the hyperbole about Progressives wanting to ban guns. Fun fact: Many Progressives ALSO own guns.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: SubTruth
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: SubTruth
What you just described is exactly what the "progressives" are asking for. Keep you religion out of my face and I will stay out of yours.
Conservatives need to look at the bigger issue in this debate............Religion is personal not public. It really is that simple.
Ok, so you agree that religion should be completely scrubbed from the public arena?
Remove the entire facade of SCOTUS that has religious writings on it?
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I wasn't denying that difference. That difference is certainly correct. I was dispelling the hyperbole about Progressives wanting to ban guns. Fun fact: Many Progressives ALSO own guns.
But also a fact--the leftist establishment, the people that "progressives" support, are the ones at the forefront of banning guns.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I wasn't denying that difference. That difference is certainly correct. I was dispelling the hyperbole about Progressives wanting to ban guns. Fun fact: Many Progressives ALSO own guns.
But also a fact--the leftist establishment, the people that "progressives" support, are the ones at the forefront of banning guns.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I do not fit into the current political boxes everyone else tries to fit in.........I keep it simple now. I believe we should follow the constitution and put individual rights first. Heck even the political spectrum is corrupted today. Left is right and right is left.
The political spectrum is best described by control.....Laws/regulations. The right historically is for less laws and regulations and the far right would actually be anarchy with no laws or regulations. The left historically is for more laws and regulations and that means the far left is fascism.......Truth be told fascism is always an Oligarchy form of government.