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OK Supreme Court: Ten Commandments Monument Must Be Removed From Capitol

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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

God is multidenominational and does not equal Christianity. That is why it does not say 'In Jesus we trust'.




posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The US government agreed to the Christian suggestion of putting IN GOD WE TRUST on US currency, as a means of showing it is a Christian nation and not heathen.

Now the US is attempting blacking out bits of it's history like it's in denial. From 'yes we will have Christianity on our currency' to 'omg a ten commandment statue, burn it'. Obviously that statue was okay when it first appeared and had been okay ever since but now it apparently is ''offensive''. It is just there like all the other religious symbols everywhere you look in the US.

It isn't embarrassing to me, it is to the US government though and perhaps to some it's citizens and it certainly isn't doing it any favours in standing up for itself to religious threats or in the eyes of the rest of the world that are protective of their culture and history.


Why yes, Christians rewriting history to say that the nation is a Christian nation is embarrassing.

History of 'In God We Trust'


The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania,



A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.

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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Logarock

Many concessions were made along the way. That is why its called "politics".

But the people who actually thought about our nation, crafted it, wrote its founding documents....they have been clear. Jefferson and Madison in particular.

America is not a Christian nation, despite the desire of its populace to enact mob rule and make it so.


Well I have to ask you again....why is the church given constitutional standing. Special, considered and equal with the press. The government even warned there that they have no grounds constitutionally to interfere with the "free exercise thereof".



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

Stop being disengenous, it is not the church, it is religion.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth



The US government agreed to the Christian suggestion of putting IN GOD WE TRUST on US currency, as a means of showing it is a Christian nation and not heathen.


I've never heard that before. How do you come to that conclusion?



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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It was agreed as a point of Christianity.

www.treasury.gov...


History of 'In God We Trust'

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:

Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.
One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.

You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.

This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.

To you first I address a subject that must be agitated.

As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:
Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.
You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.




originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: theabsolutetruth

God is multidenominational and does not equal Christianity. That is why it does not say 'In Jesus we trust'.




posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Logarock
If its not or wasn't at the time a christian nation then why did the founders give the church the same protection and status as the press?


Where does it say 'Church' in the Constitution? It says 'religion'.



Well that would be the church. You talk about context.....consider the times.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Your bolded part was written by a Reverend, not a politician. Plus that letter he wrote is an Appeal to God fallacy. It just so happened to dupe the Congress at the time so they conceded. It doesn't mean that the United States is a Christian nation. It just shows a lapse in judgment from politicians in the past.
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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: introvert

It is written in the US department of Treasury that IN GOD WE TRUST is on US currency due to Christianity.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

Wrong, there were plenty of Jews here as well. Try again.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

It says religion for a reason.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

And the reply by Secretary Chase agreed with the Christian sentiment and henceforth US currency contains the words IN GOD WE TRUST.
www.treasury.gov...


As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:
Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.
You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.


It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Logarock

Stop being disengenous, it is not the church, it is religion.



Well I am advocating for the church here. If someone wants to come in an elevate their religion to an equally protected constitutional position feel free. The word religion means that no one has to subordinate constitutionally and that included the church.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Right, a lapse in judgment. His reply doesn't mean that the country became a religious nation though. Our Constitution CLEARLY still says otherwise.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Logarock

It says religion for a reason.


Yea, the government cant interfere with any religion including the church.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock
Well I am advocating for the church here.


Who cares what you are advocating for? It is irrelevant as the Constitution clearly says 'religion', no one needs to fight to elevate their religion to the status of yours, in the eyes of the Court they are already EQUAL.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Logarock

It says religion for a reason.


Yea, the government cant interfere with any religion including the church.


Yes, church being a sub-set of religion. Which means that the word "religion" covers more than just the church. They aren't equivalent terms. All member of the sub-set church are religions but not all religions are members of the set church.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Still no mention of Jesus there.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your opinion might be that but obviously the entire nation of America didn't object to it and still doesn't.

The facts are, as I said America is rooted in Christianity, from it's laws to it's culture.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Only you mentioned Jesus. It mentions Christianity.



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