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And please explain to us what "greed" is, from a holistic stand point (meaning not excluding any parameter from the equation), because you use that word like an incantation, like superstitious people use the word "devil" or "satan".
Survival is an instinct while greed is something that is learned. The lion in the savannah is not being greedy when he kills and eats his prey.
For a pedophile, 'nice things' equals to children, but we don't let them have what they want. For a murderous psychopath who is obsessed by death, "nice things" equals to victims, but we don't let them have it. And fortunately we don't live in the kind of culture that permits this stuff
At some point we have to make a choice of culture, and luckily it is just a question of choice, but when you blur the maps like you do when you say things like "greed is hard-coded", the fact that culture is something that we can control and improve becomes hidden to you and those who listen to you.
You also spoke of governments in your OP. It is not my intention to defend governments but today governments are hijacked by privately owned corporations like banks, and big businesses like oil companies, car industries, biotech and pharmaceutical corps, weapons manufacturers, food producers and so on.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Hombre
Your thoughts are Mirrored in the world.
That reminds me of another theory I used to believe in, the idea that we could shape reality with thoughts alone, like something out of the secret. Now I firmly believe that an objective reality does exist and that conscious observers play no special role in quantum mechanics. Of course our thoughts and our frame of mind will dictate our actions, and the effects of our actions will ripple out into the world and change reality, but there's nothing paranormal about the way that happens.
originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Itisnowagain
So does all of this boil down to your belief that there is no free will?
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
That may be true to a certain extent but it's also true that a group of animals will fight over a food source if food is scarce. There are many different species which exhibit that behavior. Even birds do it when I throw them a slice of bread. There is always that one bird who has to take the whole thing for him self and attack any bird who tries to approach. There is also experiments which show that apes will get angry if they feel they are not getting as much food as another ape, they wont be happy until they have as much or more food than the next guy.
Also it doesn't really matter whether it's an instinct or just a higher thought process which is learned because when I look around in the world all I see is people trying to amass as much wealth as they possibly can and I see no way that strong desire to have more than the next person will cease to dominate the way society functions until there is unlimited resources for everyone, thus nullifying any reason to hoard. Expecting a society which runs on finite resources to morph into utopia where everything is shared and money isn't used is entirely unrealistic on every level and I doubt it could even work from an economic perspective.
The thought processes that lead someone to want this or that don't differ. Just because you want something - anything - doesn't mean that you should have it. What if I want the whole of Africa as my backyard and I have enough money to buy it ?
Clearly I was referring to commodities and other resources that the common man wants and needs to enjoy a high quality of life.
Again you use condescending words like 'naive'. At this point I wonder if in reality it is not yourself that you're trying to convince. Anyway : as I said I believe in realistic scientific possibilities, while you are just trying to rehash the current system not taking into account new possibilities.
I think there are some things we can control about society and other things we cannot control, at least not without some sort of dictatorship which enforces wealth redistribution, but there are many reasons that wouldn't work and it doesn't even solve the root of the problem, and I don't agree with forcing people to do things against their will. The existence of money and personal property is not the problem, the problem is clearly a business system which pays the middle class low wages whilst most of the wealth gets funneled to a minority of shareholders. The answer is fixing the flaws in the business system and the money system, which is why I promote decentralized cryptocurrencies which cannot be manipulated by anyone. It is naive to jump to conclusions and automatically assume money must be the problem so we should totally scrap the money system. Doing that would do much more harm than good.
You have not taken into account anything that I said and you have not responded to the question : how are you going to prevent powerful private interests from seeking and gaining even more power ? How do you explain that at the same moment where governments are big, corporations are also big and powerful ? Don't you see that it is big corporations that need a big government to enforce the laws that protect their wealth ? Those big corps want and need big governments to make sure that the economic ideological principles that made them powerful are maintained and reinforced.
I don't disagree, like I said I believe in a small government which doesn't interfere with every aspect of society and give unfair advantages to large corporations. But I don't really see how that is relevant to any of the stuff you just said.
originally posted by: gosseyn
And we've already had this conversation, so I guess I know where this is going.
You are basically repeating what I said, that what you call greed is not instinctive, is not 'hard-coded' as you say, but is something that can be expressed depending on the situation, depending on the circumstances of the environment.
Don't you see that it is big corporations that need a big government to enforce the laws that protect their wealth ? Those big corps want and need big governments to make sure that the economic ideological principles that made them powerful are maintained and reinforced.
You have not taken into account anything that I said and you have not responded to the question : how are you going to prevent powerful private interests from seeking and gaining even more power ?
I've heard of many children who grow up in a religious household and then become firm atheists and feel like a weight has been lifted and they can see clearly for the first time. Then you have people who've been atheists all their lives and they suddenly have a major epiphany and start preaching about their transformation and how they were able to see the light.
originally posted by: bitsforbytes
I hate healthy people, gratitude, compassion and love!!!
I hope you can see what I am doing here.