World Trade Center 7 Explosion and Controlled Collaspe Caught on Tape.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
It doesn't make any sense at all.

Yet you think the FDNY installing tonnes of explosives in a building, with no one noticing, so they can just blow the building up for whatever!

a reply to: beefydog

There is one more suspicious item, the central columns simply vanished into a puff of dust (notice, that the collapsing flooring computer simulation disregards the central columns completely - either a stupid engineering programmer or they think we engineers are complete idiots).

actually.. no they didn't turn magically into dust, just fell like the rest. Here's some footage of the central columns of the North Tower



Some parts of the central columns even stood for a fraction of a time longer than the rest of the building.

As for the "pull" story... English isn't my first language but whenever I hear this, my brain translates it with "pull (the men) out". "Pull" the building never occured to me as a non-native english speaker.

a reply to: hellobruce

Yet you think the FDNY installing tonnes of explosives in a building, with no one noticing, so they can just blow the building up for whatever!

I never made that claim. Read again.

And yes, I did stumble upon pictures with cables attached to WTC7 a long time a go. I just don't care.
Now do your homework.

a reply to: Talliostro

actually.. no they didn't turn magically into dust, just fell like the rest. Here's some footage of the central columns of the North Tower

You have no clue what you are talking about. The core wasn't even mentioned in the pancake-theory (like 'the rest').
There is no evidence for your claim, otherwise show me your 'facts'.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: wmd_2008

You decided to call me truther, then I decide to call you a liar.

It looks like a controlled demo and he said they pulled it. He didn't say to pull them (the firemen) of, did he?
Listen again:

You know the difference, my dear weapon of mass deflection. Do you?
And by the way... did you see the missing study regarding the core-collapse of those two WTC-buildings?

There is no doubt he didn't mean pull anyone out. He has claimed numerous times that it was a controlled collapse to minimize casualties and property damage.

I think that should be abundantly clear by now.
The only question that remains, is how they did it.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I know this is a highly emotional topic for some of you but sometimes, to have a healthy discussion about a highly controversional topic, you have to take a step back and just take a deep breath. I just posted a youtube vid in response to another user and for the sake of the argument, I just turn around your question:

What do you think you see in the video I posted?
And if you fail to proof your opinion in a scientifically sound way, I will just call you out and dismiss your whole post as "nonsense" (that's how this whole argument here works, right?).

originally posted by: firerescue

The poster I responded to said just that. Firetruck "flipped on its side" and crew killed. You know how heavy a firetruck is?

a reply to: intrptr

The truck was LADDER 11 - crew were inside Marriott Hotel (WTC 3) when was crushed first by collapse of WTC 2 (South Tower) then WTC 1 (North Tower) . They were searching the hotel to get everyone out

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I like conspiracies because they make me feel smarter than the next guy who doesn't believe in them...

a reply to: Talliostro

What do you think you see in the video I posted?

I don't see a scientific study with regards to the complete collapse of the core.
Nobody with a working brain sticks to youtube videos in order to discuss the pancake-theory, you might have to do this nonsense alone.

Now spare me your self-dramatisation and show me your facts, if you have any. Which I doubt.

That one 15 minute You Tube clip posted earlier in the thread, has so many intelligent well educated people saying, "hey something is really wrong with what we saw and what we were told with WTC7".

Yet people watch these interviews and they STILL 100% believe in the OS, that is biased cognitive dissonance, born out of lies of propaganda.

"A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."
~ G. Goebbels (Joseph Goebbels), Propaganda officer for Adolf Hitler

originally posted by: Kromlech

why do people continue to deny what is clearly in front of their face? why do they wish for us to not see what is there? I find that very interesting...

originally posted by: TWILITE22

originally posted by: Kromlech

why do people continue to deny what is clearly in front of their face? why do they wish for us to not see what is there? I find that very interesting...

I love the UFO that's perfect.

It must suck being a person who 100% believes the official story.... lol

maybe they have ulterior motives?
that's the only thing I can think of because it's so very obvious to even the lay person of what happened on 911...actually it's kind of sad if you really think about it.

originally posted by: TWILITE22

originally posted by: Kromlech

why do people continue to deny what is clearly in front of their face? why do they wish for us to not see what is there? I find that very interesting...

Why do people deny there was no damage to WTC7 or the fact that the fires were left to burn.
Some of us on here have an understanding of construction and the types of loadings involved so we understand what we see based on experience.

Some of you should have a go at working out the amount of forces generated by a falling mass you might be shocked!

For example if I dropped a 10kg mass the height of a Twin Tower floor 3.6 mtr and that mass was brought to a halt over 100mm distance have you any idea of the avg force of the impact ?

Here click and have a go Energy of a Falling Object

Your answer is given in Newtons divide by 9.81 for KG

Now imagine if you had held your arms locked straight to catch that!!!

Now imagine a 700,000+ KG floor slab in the Twin Towers dropping

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: TWILITE22

Small group of FDNY reached 78th floor, Battalion Chief Palmer, FDNY Fire Marshall Ron Buca and crew from Ladder 15

78th floor was lower edge of the impact area, struck by wingtip of United 175 in a steep bank

Estimated over 100 people were there waiting for elevators - 78 was Sky Lobby where people changed from express
elevator to local elevator which stopped on every floor

Palmer who knew building well found freight elevator to 41th floor before running remainder of distance

Buca actually ran from street to 78th floor !

As a Sky Lobby lacked most of the combustible material in offices - was marble and tile

It's so sad to read the firefighters eyewitness testimonies and to know the ones who did survive are only suffering from their heroic deeds of 911. I truly feel for them and their families.
to see these members that back the official fairy tale for whatever reason is beyond my understanding. and to know those who perpetrated 911 are living in comfort without guilt or shame I just hope karma comes quickly for them.
Just with the one statement of the firefighter that did reach the 78th floor that he thought the fire was under control was one piece of evidence that to me proved the fires for the most part could be extinguished quickly.
Chief Palmer didn't realize the seriousness of the situation in the sense that the tower would collapse.his statement tells us there was more going on than just a plane crash in the towers.

The voices, captured on a tape of Fire Department radio transmissions, betray no fear. The words are matter-of-fact.

Two hose lines are needed, Chief Orio Palmer says from an upper floor of the badly damaged south tower at the World Trade Center. Just two hose lines to attack two isolated pockets of fire. "We should be able to knock it down with two lines," he tells the firefighters of Ladder Company 15 who were following him up the stairs of the doomed tower.

But sections of the tape provide vivid images of the firefighters: the breathless voice of Chief Palmer, a marathon runner, after dashing up dozens of flights; the assurances from firefighters to him that they are coming on his heels; the effort to create a medical staging area for the wounded on the 40th floor.

But nowhere on the tape is there any indication that firefighters had the slightest indication that the tower had become unstable or that it could fall.

no imminent doom Chief Palmer

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: hellobruce

Do you have any facts that "pull" means demolish a building?

Irrelevant question. Simply put: what the hell did he actually say now?
Can you offer at least something, that suggests he did indeed say "pull them of"?

And how would that apply to the rest of his explanaition? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Hellobruce doesn't care about the facts or truth. He just doesn't like others knowing what he cant comprehend.

When the owner of the World Trade Center 7 said that the fires were not being tended to that the smartest thing to do is PULL IT. Then they watched the building fall. If they didn't control the collapse of WTC 7 it would of become a uncontrolled inferno causing possibly more loss of life and indeed more property damage. They had to pull it and they made the right choice.

World Trade Center 7 was brought down in a controlled manner as many engineers, controlled demolition specialists and architects all agree.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: hellobruce

Do you have any facts that "pull" means demolish a building?

Irrelevant question. Simply put: what the hell did he actually say now?
Can you offer at least something, that suggests he did indeed say "pull them of"?

And how would that apply to the rest of his explanaition? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Hellobruce doesn't care about the facts or truth. He just doesn't like others knowing what he cant comprehend.

When the owner of the World Trade Center 7 said that the fires were not being tended to that the smartest thing to do is PULL IT. Then they watched the building fall. If they didn't control the collapse of WTC 7 it would of become a uncontrolled inferno causing possibly more loss of life and indeed more property damage. They had to pull it and they made the right choice.

World Trade Center 7 was brought down in a controlled manner as many engineers, controlled demolition specialists and architects all agree.

This has got to be trolling? Hey forum mods, does this not count as trolling?

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: hellobruce

Do you have any facts that "pull" means demolish a building?

Irrelevant question. Simply put: what the hell did he actually say now?
Can you offer at least something, that suggests he did indeed say "pull them of"?

And how would that apply to the rest of his explanaition? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Hellobruce doesn't care about the facts or truth. He just doesn't like others knowing what he cant comprehend.

When the owner of the World Trade Center 7 said that the fires were not being tended to that the smartest thing to do is PULL IT. Then they watched the building fall. If they didn't control the collapse of WTC 7 it would of become a uncontrolled inferno causing possibly more loss of life and indeed more property damage. They had to pull it and they made the right choice.

World Trade Center 7 was brought down in a controlled manner as many engineers, controlled demolition specialists and architects all agree.

How do you think they controlled the collapse?

originally posted by: scottyirnbru

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: hellobruce

Do you have any facts that "pull" means demolish a building?

Irrelevant question. Simply put: what the hell did he actually say now?
Can you offer at least something, that suggests he did indeed say "pull them of"?

And how would that apply to the rest of his explanaition? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Hellobruce doesn't care about the facts or truth. He just doesn't like others knowing what he cant comprehend.

When the owner of the World Trade Center 7 said that the fires were not being tended to that the smartest thing to do is PULL IT. Then they watched the building fall. If they didn't control the collapse of WTC 7 it would of become a uncontrolled inferno causing possibly more loss of life and indeed more property damage. They had to pull it and they made the right choice.

World Trade Center 7 was brought down in a controlled manner as many engineers, controlled demolition specialists and architects all agree.

How do you think they controlled the collapse?

They didn't. The building was severely damaged and it collapsed.

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: scottyirnbru

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: hellobruce

Do you have any facts that "pull" means demolish a building?

Irrelevant question. Simply put: what the hell did he actually say now?
Can you offer at least something, that suggests he did indeed say "pull them of"?

And how would that apply to the rest of his explanaition? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Hellobruce doesn't care about the facts or truth. He just doesn't like others knowing what he cant comprehend.

When the owner of the World Trade Center 7 said that the fires were not being tended to that the smartest thing to do is PULL IT. Then they watched the building fall. If they didn't control the collapse of WTC 7 it would of become a uncontrolled inferno causing possibly more loss of life and indeed more property damage. They had to pull it and they made the right choice.

World Trade Center 7 was brought down in a controlled manner as many engineers, controlled demolition specialists and architects all agree.

How do you think they controlled the collapse?

They didn't. The building was severely damaged and it collapsed.

I know that. But Shadow Herder is insistent. I'm awfully excited to find out.