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Alabama Senate Approves Bill to Abolish Marriage Licensing

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posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

OMgosh you found out our secret agenda.. who told you? did you wear a pink bandanna to one of our meetings to get in undercover?

serious question, would this still be recognized from state to state, or just in Alabama?




posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: combinatorics

This doesn't stop marriage ceremonies.

It just states that they are no longer necessary.


It stops same-sex marriages. And it still has to go to the Alabama Supreme Court. I think that's what it said. The Governor could veto it?



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


yeah it takes the state out of it.......all thats needed to make it official is a Notary, a lawyer or a clergy


You forgot, who's religious values don't contradict the law.

What happens when they refuse?


then go to a notary who doesnt care? Same thing that happens if a baker doesnt want to bake a damn cake, you go somewhere else.....

If only it were that easy. People have had to relocate where they live and find new jobs based on this very notion of "freedom."


This again, shows me that its not the RIGHTS that people like you want, its not the same tax breaks.......

Its that you want to oppress anyone that doesnt agree with you........

Agenda is clear..........

Congratulations!!!

You are the first member to diagnose me with an agenda.

I'm flattered...

And second, are you insinuating that I'm gay?


This seems to solve many of those issues and its still not satisfactory , nono , we must FORCE people to conform

We've forced gay people from getting legally married like the rest of us, so I don't really understand this logic.


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posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Darth_Prime

why wouldn't it?

Anyone can go to Vegas and get married in a nude Klingon ceremony and other states accept it.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

No, something's not right with this. I don't know exactly what it is, but there's an ulterior agenda regardless of how nice it sounds.

I can't find anything to support my notion in the article itself, but something doesn't feel right.

Maybe something with the fact that having an actual "license" affords couples some federal protection or leeway (such as with taxes).

There's something here that is more about sticking it to the gays (pun not intended) than this is about anything else regardless of how it's being couched. Like...while a probate judge might choose to sign a license for a hetero couple but not a homo couple, the couple can go to a notary and get a notarized "contract" instead? That's BS, because that contract would not be as honorarily valid as the signed license. It doesn't appear to abolish the license process, just to provide an alternative that might not be equally recognizable.
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posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Cuervo

Yes, you are missing that it blocks same-sex marriage. It's not a good thing.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: combinatorics

This doesn't stop marriage ceremonies.

It just states that they are no longer necessary.


It stops same-sex marriages. And it still has to go to the Alabama Supreme Court. I think that's what it said. The Governor could veto it?


Couples who are same-sex can still get a certificate.

Same as hetero couples.

Equal.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: grandmakdw

But you wanted the Government to say that we can't have Equal rights.. so you want them when you want them, and when you don't "Bog Government"?

Getting married never required a Religious Ceremony, you could just go to City Hall or someplace and get the certificate and recognized etc.. so maybe i am confused but what does this change? or what does this mean for Both sexes who want to get married?


Why do people on ATS act like they know what others are thinking?
How rude and ignorant of you to make a supposition
about me and what I am thinking.

If you were to look at all my posts on gay marriage and homosexuality,
you would see the same thing repeated over the over:
I think homosexuals should be allowed to marry
(a moot point now don't you think?)
I also don't give a rats a-- if someone is gay or not,
live and let live is my motto.
I won't force my point of view on you
and don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedroom,
as long as you allow others to live and let live
and have their points of view even if it differs from yours.

Now no ceremony is required at all.
Yes in the past people got a license from the state
and then had a ceremony,
be it a brief one from a judge or probate officer at the courthouse.
Now the ceremony requirement is dropped as is the license requirement.
Now, all people have to do if this law is passed
is sign a marriage contract
and have their signatures notarized as being their signatures.
They will probably be allowed to mail a copy of the
contract in to the courthouse to be registered.
The notary or lawyer is not marrying them,
simply validating their signatures on a contract.
The other option is to have clergy sign it.
A ceremony is entirely optional, have one or don't, it won't matter anymore.

And yes, this gets government out of saying who can and can not marry.
Why do you think this is bad?

The state will only register a contract has been signed
and be out of the marriage business altogether,
except for registering the contract.

Under this law, anyone can have a marriage contract with anyone
without any interference from the government.






edit on 9Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:39:58 -0500pm62806pmk280 by grandmakdw because: addition format



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Just wondered, because before this ruling Same-Sex marriage wasn't recognized in all the states



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: beezzer



If the bill passes, Alabama would be the first state to not require a marriage license from the state.

Attorney Jake Watson explained to WHNT 19 News that the bill, “really does away with the traditional sense of a marriage certificate and what we’ve been dealing with in Alabama as far as marriage certificates for more than a hundred years, I believe.”

“A statement that the parties are legally authorized to be married, that’s going to be the catch. What is legally authorized to be married? Under the State of Alabama Law, that would not include same-sex marriage,” he said.

This all precedes a Supreme Court ruling that is to come later this month.





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posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Cuervo

Yes, you are missing that it blocks same-sex marriage. It's not a good thing.



How does it do that? All it does is remove the judge. You can still get married and still get a marriage certificate in Alabama. If nothing else, it makes it easier to get married.

Again, it's obviously a retaliatory move just so they don't have to say they accepted it but, c'mon, it's Alabama.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: beezzer

Just wondered, because before this ruling Same-Sex marriage wasn't recognized in all the states


Now it is. Rather a moot point now.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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I suppose it removes the term 'marriage license' so it makes the state happy. If it limits the persons in some way then it would hurts both type of marriages, wouldn't it.

edit:

OK. someone just posted the data on excluding same-sex in the contracts.
edit on 6/28/2015 by roadgravel because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: Cuervo

And I can go to college and get a "certificate" in most anything much more easily than a "degree."

That doesn't mean it's equal or will have the same relevance when applying for a job.

Same difference.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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I Love It!!!

Someone in government finally had some common sense!

I am hoping that this is not a dream….



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Cuervo

And I can go to college and get a "certificate" in most anything much more easily than a "degree."

That doesn't mean it's equal or will have the same relevance when applying for a job.

Same difference.


Its clearly not the same thing, because this applies to both gay and straight couples equally......



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Cuervo

And I can go to college and get a "certificate" in most anything much more easily than a "degree."

That doesn't mean it's equal or will have the same relevance when applying for a job.

Same difference.


But I think the assumption here is that it does have the same relevance.

Like I said in my first post, I'm okay with this unless there are some funky details. If you're assumption turns out to have truth, I'd count that as one of those bad "funky details".

I think we just need more details.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Cuervo
Read my post above yours.



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: proob4

here's more if it's current....

Chart: State Marriage License and Blood Test Requirements



posted on Jun, 28 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It is the same.

The certificate is not as valid as the license (degree), regardless of orientation.

And regardless of how the state views or honors it, on a federal level it's completely different—because it's not actually licensed.




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