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originally posted by: Rex282
In Matthew 5 Yahoshua clearly stated he was speaking of “the law” and right after that explained what the the law was and it wasn’t the law of men of old( Moses) as the Jews or the present day Christians believe at all.
“You have heard that it was said by men of old , You shall not commit adultery:BUT I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart”.
That is not the law of Moses and neither are any of the other things he said in this discourse.He was stating what the “law” really was.The religious perceive the law as rules and regulations to be followed like an instruction manual to “interpret” how they choose but use ZERO reason because they seek to justify their own perversion.Many of the religious believe committing adultery is against the law but it is okay(natural) to “lust” as long as you don’t do and yet Yahoshua will completely disagree with them.The religious want a “law” that they can manipulate to fit their agenda yet Yahoshua says that is not how the law is perfected(fulfilled.).
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven”
Yahoshua said he came to “fulfill” the law and the prophets.The religious believe this is “the bible”(when they have no idea what was written).The word fulfill is translated from the Greek word pleroo which means to make complete to consummate to perfect.Yahoshua did not say the “law and the prophets were perfected he said the opposite and then preceded to state why.
The fact is Christianity is COMPLETELY blind to facts like these.Yahoshua clearly stated those who “relax” (accept the imperfections) and teaches those unfulfilled laws will be called the least in the kingdom of the heavens and they are akin to the scribes and pharisees(who pervert the true law by their religious beliefs) which is EXACTLY what Christianity has done …but even more so!!.They extrapolate scriptures and pervert them into the doctrines of men then say “Jesus said it”.That is the worst perversion possible.
This is the kind of foolishness many Christians propagate. They abuse the scriptures to condemn others when it is THEM Yahoshua is speaking of as being perverts!Yahoshua clearly stated who these ‘Christians” were when he warned the disciples.
“Do not be deceived. For MANY will come in my name and say they are christ and will deceive many”.
That is as clear and concise statement of the coming of Christianity ever stated YET Christianity believes it’s about someone else!The fact is ....it is Christianity that “teaches” false doctrine and perverts the gospel of Yahoshua.History has proven over and over again the perverse nature of Christianity yet they are blind to it and believe THEY ALONE are the forgiven (but are not free at all!) and “saved” ones and everyone else is going to hell!! That is the ultimate perversion and is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that will not be forgiven (which means freed from bondage) in this age nor the next.
Many Christians prove this fact of their extreme perversion over and over again. Some of those Christians are writing on this thread.They have no truthful answers to these statements made by Yahoshua except their Christian rhetoric which is nothing more than the perversion of truth.
So, why don't you Christians honor ALL of the Levitical laws? Why are you cherry picking which one you'll choose to follow/enforce and which one's you'll choose to discard?
originally posted by: windword
There are lots of little things that you post that I don't see eye to eye with, and sometimes you post ideas that I take issue with, but mostly, I agree with everything you have to say, if not technically, in spirit. I always appreciate your posts, and if I see them they always get a star from me, for what that's worth.
I quoted your whole dialog here, because it worthy of a "requote".
Not worth any debate.
You are a confused person . All Hebrew 613 commands are not meant for everyone except the Hebrews and then some for only that era.
What is important is truth and the truth can never be known while being held captive of the ignorance of religion so you are freed from that bondage.
This freedom is something those that are bound by religion cannot fathom in the least.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Right, and as long as it is a civil affair, then gays can get married. Get marriage out of the state (which, by the way, racist Christians are responsible for putting it in the state's hands) then you don't have to worry about gays getting married.
Absolutely gays can get married by civil law but not by God's law can that civil marriage ever be honored. As far as the law against homosexual marriage is concerned, that law is not racist as you spout. It is a law given to the Hebrews by their God and sanctified by the Christ of the God who gave the law. If you believe that the law is racist then you have a problem with the one who issued the law. Race has nothing to do with this discussion and to call it racist is untrue and not in fair debate. As for myself I will honor the laws of God and His Begotten Son over the civil laws against God.
Yes, it certainly is racist/bigoted. You can pretend it is God given all you want, but it doesn't prevent it from being intolerant, and of COURSE I have a problem with your God. I think your God is the worst thing ever created by man. This means that I could give a damn if the marriage is recognized by your God. Your God appears to be an intolerant asshole, I want nothing to do with THAT.
What did Jesus mean when he said that he didn't come to abolish the law? What Law? The Law that says homosexuality is evil or the one that says that sleeping with your wife while she's bleeding is evil? How does any of that relate to non-Jewish Christians?
I will own up to hating God all day and every day. I am NOT bigoted towards Christians. If I were to EVER see you actually discriminated against in this country instead of all that made up persecution y'all constantly go on about, I'd be right next to you defending you. I have very set opinions on what God is and the things he said are though. God is the worst kind of asshole as per your own bible. For instance, I don't care if you and your church refuse to marry a single gay couple for the rest of its time on earth. It's your rights as Americans to do that. I don't even care if you don't want to call it a marriage in the eyes of god (it means nothing to me anyways). All I care about is that y'all can't prevent gays from marrying in the eyes of the State. We have taken one more glorious step at removing religion from our government and that is a GOOD thing.
So when Jesus taught, He taught that He did not come to change or (abolish) the law.
But Christianity did do just that. Christianity changed ALL the laws. No more Sabbath, no more circumcision, no more feasts, no more cultural or dietary laws, no more polygamy, no more animal sacrifice, no more hospitality laws. Sure, early Christians still murdered those that refused to accept them and their Gods as their rulers, just like the Deuteromic Jews did, and proclaimed all the world as theirs, just like the Deuteromic Jews.
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
No one shall join in prayers with heretics or schismatics.
No Christian shall forsake the martyrs of Christ, and turn to false martyrs, that is, to those of the heretics, or those who formerly were heretics; for they are aliens from God. Let those, therefore, who go after them, be anathema.
Christians must not forsake the Church of God, and go away and invoke angels and gather assemblies, which things are forbidden. If, therefore, any one shall be found engaged in this covert idolatry, let him be anathema; for he has forsaken our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and has gone over to idolatry.
It is not lawful to receive portions sent from the feasts of Jews or heretics, nor to feast together with them.
It is not lawful to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety.
I'm trying to express, that while Christians contend that Jesus didn't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it, and he said that not one jot of the law shall pass away until Heaven and Earth pass, Christians DID abolish the law.......... Except when it happens to serve their agenda, like with homosexuality and gay marriage. a reply to: windword