First if all bacon defeats everything.
If Bruce Lee and Ali got into a fight it would be Interesting to see who would win.
Bruce looked up to ali. Especially Ali's adaptation/ adoption of Philippino footwork. Bruce was obsessed with the footwork of blade fighters due to
its efficiency and flanking ability. Ali was influenced by the same foot work because it gave him a tactical edge. So i dont know if we can use
who has better footwork as a decider. the two were very similar in that regard.
As for who could take a heavier blow without dropping. Ali. Ali was a boxer. Probably had much more, like vastly so, experience in that regard.
Well hidden factoid about bruce. He had a glass jaw. He was very self conscious about it. once at a Hollywood party at his home he was messing
around with a non martial artists friend in the kitchen. Tgmhe friend landed a lucky, although not too strong, shot to the jaw and bruce went out
instantly, came to a second later and in embarassement went into a rage attacking his friend. Party goers all witnessed this and had to pull Bruce
off his friend. Bruce had a terrible ego and it hurt him as much as helped him.
As for who had stronger shots. Kicking technique aside. Ali would have been stronger in my opinion. Hes a boxer. Throwing heavy full body power
shots is what they train for. Any one of those land on Bruce its light out again.
Who had more experience fighting? Toss up. Bruce Lee started studying wing chun because all the choy Lee fut guys were singing his feathers in the
local hong Kong street fights. (Granted this was when he was like 13) good thing he never tried to mess with lung ying, bak mei, chu gar, tong long,
Hong gar or li gar practicioners. They would of hurt him worse and sent him packing back to his cha cha dance class.
Bruce while going around saying he was the smartest most profound thinker in martial arts at the time got his ass kicked by kung fu master Wong Jack
man. Wong was much better than bruce. After wards Wong tried to give Bruce some advice which he never took. He basically said look bruce youre
really fast. You have an excellent opening move. It usually works on most folks. But what if the guy can counter your opening move? then what.
You currently have nothing, no technique or strategy after your opening move. If the guy parries your opener then you will loose. Work on that.
Don't think Bruce ever did.
So for who had a better srategy. ali. His was systematic and better thought out. Bruce was basically a one trick pony. Yes I know he was fast.
Yes i know he studied and compared martial arts techniques from fencing and boxing and kali.
Bruce got his ego checked by the great gene labelle. Bruce started to train grappling after being thoroughly defeated by gene lickety split. Gene
also choked out Steven segal infront of a bunch of people, and can be seen as a grumpy old man in several reno911 appearances.
As for Bruce's 1 Inch punch. So what? Its no more powerful than any other punch. And its a well known thing. Especially in boxing. Go watch
Tyson throw a punch sometime. Dont look at his hand watch his hips and feet, how he loads the shot. How do you think boxers create the mechanical
power necessary when throwing tight hooks? The one inch punch isn't some mystical technique its quite prevalent in many southern Chinese martial
arts. Especially of the arts practiced among the hakka peoples around the pearl river area (futshan). They have a concept called sink, spit, float,
swallow. Basically describing striking force vectors. A one inch punch would be a common usage of the combination of sink and spit. A tight hook
does the same thing maxhanically as tbe one inch punch and generates its power in only a few inches. the power comes from a shifting Iif foIitwork
and hips. Watch wing chuns chum kiu form to see where bruce got his one inch punch power from. Watch the demonstrator shift side to side with his
hips/feet. Watch a bak mei guy do gau bo toi. Same power generation.A jab would be a good example of float and spit being combined. A kuntaw,
silat or Kali elbow gunting to the bicep from a split entry would be a good example of sink and swallow. aikido throw would also be a good example of
swallow. A arm bar to a take down could also be an example of sink. So one inch punch was just another very common usage of human mechanics to
develop short range power and us common in many martial arts and with many, many martail artists.
In a street fight who would win? Well Bruce couldn't take a shot. That's critical in street fighting. He really didn't do too much impact
conditioning or body hardening, instead relying on speed to keep him out of danger. The reality is in a street fight your going to most likely take a
shot to get into position to offensively counter and end it. Your often going to have to eat a shot at some point durring the altercation. Bruce
could easily loose a that monent. Ive sparred guys in bare knuckle semi full contact fights that use bruce lee ideology of speed. They have pros
and cons to their methodology and tactics.
The pros. They are very accurate. They usually can flank and get to the outside of your shoulder where They can wreak havoc with a fast flurry of
strikes. Those flurries of strikes may not be all that powerful but they will cause neurological disruption as your brain is literally Blinded and
confused by the incoming stimuli. If they get that sequence of flurries on you, you will likely get set up quickly for a power boxing strike to
The cons is that the style us usually reserved for light, fragile, although wirery players. They can not under any circumstances get hit or its
catastrophic. If you can out footwork them and shut down their fast initial flurry of strikes then you will likely land a power counter shot and end
it real fast. Boxers using alis foot work are great at this. So a bruce lee guy against a Ali style boxer with experience in shutting down the
initial strike or flurry will do really well since they have similar accuracy and speed but vastly more power.
As for shooting on the opponant. People who watch bjj and mma forget that they never have to deal with shots to the back if the head or neck. They
conveniently forget that in every military combative system trained out there to folks in the real world the chop, punch, forearm or elbow to the
back of the neck and head are trained and drilled to counter the take down and shoot for 1000s of years because it works and stops the take down
nonsense reliably. a street wise boxer will have no problem instinctively punching a guy in the back of the neck or head if they try for a take
down. Also any tight hook or uppercut can and does manifest as a elbow that would put a mauy Thai guy to shame and even impress the south east asian
crowd who are arguably the king of elbows and close quarter hand to hand....and knives. .and the associated and vastly superior footwork.
So Ali vs Bruce. Hard to say ooretty even match and in no way does Bruce got some advantage. a more relevant question. in a fight. Bruce vs
inosanto vs dacasco. I would put al dacasco or Danny inosanto in a league ahead of bruce Lee any day. But if I had to pick a real deal bad ass kung
fu man who's dead but lived when Bruce did I would go with jeung lai chuen for unrivaled bad assness.
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