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With Knife Murders Spiking After Gun Ban, UK Urges “Save a Life–Surrender Your Knife”

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posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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Insanity - Do not defend yourself and you need an ID to buy plastic silverware.

I will keep my rights to self defense, you keep your rights to be defenseless.


www.shtfplan.com...




Don’t try to think this one through.

The logic fail and sheer volume of absurdity might just make you sick if you do.

For the UK – whose laws and policies all-too-often influence those of the U.S. – gun control isn’t enough. Probably nothing will ever be enough.


Police departments in the UK, urging people to give up their blades, including those from the kitchen, are literally advising people to NOT to become a victim by NOT defending themselves:


Don’t be a victim

If you feel you are in immediate danger from knife crime there are a number of steps you can take to protect yourself:
• Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible.
• Make as much noise as you can.
• Instead of carrying a knife, carry a personal alarm.
• Don’t fight back.



The right to bear arms might be under attack here in America–but in the United Kingdom, police are trying to do something even more ridiculous: they’re attempting to ban knives.

The British police have recently joined forces with liberal grassroots activists in the UK, launching the “Save a Life–Surrender Your Knife” program. Knife crime has been climbing recently in major UK cities like London.

The program involved several weeks of “amnesty” for “pointed knives.” Civilians can turn in these apparently dangerous weapons at their local police station in exchange for “amnesty,” apparently, even though knives (rounded or pointed) aren’t illegal in the United Kingdom.


There is, however, a ban on people under 18 buying knives – going so far on the absurdity scale as to ban underage purchases of plastic knives! No joke. One woman in her 20s was even barred from buying spoons without proper ID:

Since knives are used for food preparation and many other basic and essential activities, and virtually any crude material can be transformed into a knife, even police admit the “amnesty” for turning in knives will do nothing to stop knife crimes (but it will do a great deal for instilling a mentality of helplessness while heaping on more and more rules).





posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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Sigh.
We can have any type of knife If we have a valid reason.
Carrying in one in town on a friday night while getting drunk is not a valid reason.
Our cops know when it is okay to have a knife.
I was carrying a 20 inch machete strapped to my backpack at a train station while on my way wild camping and two coppers came up to me and the younger one said I shouldn't have it but the older one just asked me why I had it and I explained my camping trip he was satisfied and said have a safe trip.
They are not making it illegal to carry knives at all.

www.gov.uk...



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

Also done to death here...

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posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Knives or guns have not been banned in the UK.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
We can have any type of knife If we have a valid reason.


I do my best to stay away from commenting on the gun and weapon laws of other governments. But since everyone around the world seems to have an opinion on the US's, I figure I'd chime in just this once.

The only reason you all should need to carry a knife is because you want to. I don't quite see what business it is of anyone but yourselves.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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If we can only just swath people in bubble wrap ... then they can't kill each other.

Instead of addressing the problem or just acknowledging that people will find a way to do serious harm to one another if they see fit ... let's try to ban the things they use.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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Was that article written by the same brainboxes behind that fantastic piece of investigative journalism that uncovered that "Birmingham is a Muslim city and no-go area for Police"?

Bloody hell.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

Define 'valid reason'. That seems pretty vague to me and open to interpretation. You got lucky and the older cop had common sense, but maybe that's not true next time.

Granted, its not really a concern of mine. I'm not on a personal crusade against UK self-defense laws.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Like I said everything you will say here has been said in the other thread.

But we here in the UK are a different society to yours this is about making sure that rambo knife you may have in some drawer doesn't end up in the wrong hands.
I have shown you the actual law which they are not going to change and our cops as many as testified in the other thread....are clued up enough to understand why someone would want to carry a knife.
Oh and Ketso we just don't want our young lads stabbed when a good punch up would do.
I remember being a lad and when someone pulled a knife it was frounded upon as being low and cowardly we liked a good scrap but didn't want to kill anyone.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: vor78

Not gonna repeat what has already been said in the other ONGOING thread.
go to that one sorry not jumping around two threads on the same topic.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

LOL! I don't know what else to say.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
I remember being a lad and when someone pulled a knife it was frounded upon as being low and cowardly we liked a good scrap but didn't want to kill anyone.


Without a doubt it's my opinion only and outside of that I cannot say much as I don't live there. But I agree with you on the point above. It wasn't too long ago it was like that here. You get into a fight with a friend, slugged it out, and everything was fine after.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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Just a sneaky, backdoor socialist plan to get people to stop eating meat. You can't cut a thick, juicy, steak with a plastic spork.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

A few years later:

With Hand Murders Spiking After Knife Ban, UK Urges “Save a Life–Surrender Your Hands”
edit on 27-6-2015 by starwarsisreal because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
Sigh.
We can have any type of knife If we have a valid reason.
Carrying in one in town on a friday night while getting drunk is not a valid reason.
Our cops know when it is okay to have a knife.
I was carrying a 20 inch machete strapped to my backpack at a train station while on my way wild camping and two coppers came up to me and the younger one said I shouldn't have it but the older one just asked me why I had it and I explained my camping trip he was satisfied and said have a safe trip.
They are not making it illegal to carry knives at all.

www.gov.uk...


Let's get this straight. You think that it's okay that law enforcement must determine that you have a valid reason to possess an object even if you haven't actually harmed or threatened anyone?

I always carry a pocketknife, out drinking or not--in fact it comes in handy opening bottles of booze. How should one's activity, as long as it is a lawful activity, dictate what you carry or not?



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

The article is misleading on one particular point. It states that knives are not illegal to carry here.

That is not entirely accurate. A folding blade of less than three inches in length is fine, but there are some stipulations.

Switchblades, lock knives, push daggers, disguised blades of any size, butterfly knives, and gravity knives are all illegal. Further to that, solid blades whose length travels straight through the hilt and grip are also illegal to carry in this country, unless of course one can find a good reason to be carrying one. And no, before anyone asks, the legal system does not accept any answer to do with providing for ones safety in that category.

So the only knife one may carry without being at risk of a four year prison sentence and a hefty fine, is a Swiss Army knife. These are about as useful for self defence as a damp lettuce leaf is for deflecting bullets, because trying to use one to defend your life will likely as not see you accidentally remove your own fingers with it.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: infolurker


You think that's bad ?

I had to go bury my Dukes of Hazard silverware and dish set !!!



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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Just so we're all clear here:

The same "advice" quoted in that article is the same thing pretty much every police force on the planet tells people to do, since the overwhelming majority of people are unarmed when they're accosted.

Hardly indicative of UK coppers trying to turn their people into victims.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Actually, I'll indulge this article given I've a little spare time. Lets look at the basic knife laws of the UK...

"It is illegal to:

- sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives)
- carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less,
- carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
- use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public without good reason."

gov.uk

Good reason? From the same source...

"Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

- taking knives you use at work to and from work
- taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
- the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment
- religious purposes, eg the kirpan some Sikhs carry

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally."

You can find a list of banned knives at the same source.

To the article...

"The British police have recently joined forces with liberal grassroots activists in the UK, launching the “Save a Life–Surrender Your Knife” program. Knife crime has been climbing recently in major UK cities like London."

Knife crime in the UK is relatively constant, and receding if anything. As with any crime, it peaks and troughs - but this article completely misrepresents the actual knife crime problem in the UK which is largely restricted to inner-city youth crime in cities like London, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow etc... with notable exceptions, as you might expect.

The knife amnesty is not designed to limit people's access to knives, but to discourage the carrying of large, intimidating and illegal knives by gangs of youths. The reasoning behind this is simply that young people who carry knives themselves are hugely more likely to end up being the victim of knife crime due to escalation.

"Civilians can turn in these apparently dangerous weapons at their local police station in exchange for “amnesty,” apparently, even though knives (rounded or pointed) aren’t illegal in the United Kingdom."

Many knives are illegal in the UK, and for good reason. See the list above. There's nothing 'apparently' dangerous at all about anything on that list.

"There is, however, a ban on people under 18 buying knives – going so far on the absurdity scale as to ban underage purchases of plastic knives! No joke. One woman in her 20s was even barred from buying spoons without proper ID:"

People under the age of 18 can buy all the plastic knives they want. The 'plastic knives' that aren't allowed to be sold to under 18s are like this. For obvious reasons.

If a woman in her 20s was denied the purchase of a spoon, there was some error at the till. There is no restriction on the purchase of spoons to those under or over 18 in the UK.

"Since knives are used for food preparation and many other basic and essential activities, and virtually any crude material can be transformed into a knife, even police admit the “amnesty” for turning in knives will do nothing to stop knife crimes (but it will do a great deal for instilling a mentality of helplessness while heaping on more and more rules)."

The point about knives in the UK is that - unless you're in a street gang - you are very unlikely indeed to ever see a knife in a violent situation. It's incredibly rare outside of gang on gang violence. As such, the real way to tackle it is intelligent policing within communities - which does reduce knife crime. This is something the biased writer of this article simply refuses to admit.

Peace.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

I posted a thread similar to this to show that it's not the weapon but the one who uses it. Sadly, it's turned into a slug fest. Good luck.




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