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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: ketsuko
I think if they want to change policy, they should get a little skin in the game, don't you?
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Mandroid7
End your tax exemptions or shut your face
And if they end their tax exemption, then they are subject to tax law which means Congress has made a law respecting religion, now hasn't it? That would seem to be in violation of the 1st Amendment.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ketsuko
Not sure you understand the win of today, it has nothing to do with forcing churches to marry gays, its a win for love and equality, you know the stuff jesus talked about.
You simply haven't been paying attention to the writing on the wall. Either that or you are only looking at what Thomas Sowell calls "two dimensional" thinking. Cause/Effect.
On the surface, that's what the ruling would seem to be, but underneath, they labeled marriage a "civil right" which means that if anyone refuses to marry a same sex couple, they have violated a civil right. That means a gay couple can indeed go to a church (or mosque or synagogue) and demand to be married. If the church refuses, they are violating a new civil right which they can then be prosecuted under law for.
If you think people will simply respect religious feelings now, I don't think you have been paying attention.
originally posted by: Badgered1
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Mandroid7
End your tax exemptions or shut your face
And if they end their tax exemption, then they are subject to tax law which means Congress has made a law respecting religion, now hasn't it? That would seem to be in violation of the 1st Amendment.
That they have tax exemption means that Congress has already made a law with respect to religion.
To gain exemption, one must prove to the IRS that you are a true religion. By making any such decision, there is a violation of the first amendment.
In order to qualify for exemption status, a church must stay out of state business.
originally posted by: ketsuko
The gays do, and the Catholics and Southern Baptists will likely be among the first to have gay couples demand to be married in their churches.
originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: ketsuko
Do you always answer questions with questions?
Kind of pointless. I don't argue, just to argue. Get to a point please.
Churches rake in billions. They don't pay taxes. They shouldn't get a say. They should get a say if they don't want to perform the church ceremony, that is my stance.
Why are you talking about the people in church paying taxes? irrelevant.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Badgered1
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Mandroid7
End your tax exemptions or shut your face
And if they end their tax exemption, then they are subject to tax law which means Congress has made a law respecting religion, now hasn't it? That would seem to be in violation of the 1st Amendment.
That they have tax exemption means that Congress has already made a law with respect to religion.
To gain exemption, one must prove to the IRS that you are a true religion. By making any such decision, there is a violation of the first amendment.
In order to qualify for exemption status, a church must stay out of state business.
Then I guess the entire tax code is un-constitutional. I can live with that.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: ketsuko
The gays do, and the Catholics and Southern Baptists will likely be among the first to have gay couples demand to be married in their churches.
Could my wife and I have gotten married in a Southern Baptist church, what with me being a completely lapsed Catholic and her being an evil Jooooo?
(I already know the answer, NO!)
originally posted by: ketsuko
The gays do, and the Catholics and Southern Baptists will likely be among the first to have gay couples demand to be married in their churches.
originally posted by: 5thNovember
A church should not be forced to carry out something it doesn't believe in based on its religion regardless of what the other thinks.
originally posted by: ketsuko
Here is the point - If the government decides to punish churches
originally posted by: ketsuko
No, but neither could my husband and I have gotten married in a mosque either since we're both Christian. However, gays can sue now on the grounds of having their civil rights violated.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xuenchen
And? What are they going to do?
originally posted by: ketsuko
On the surface, that's what the ruling would seem to be, but underneath, they labeled marriage a "civil right" which means that if anyone refuses to marry a same sex couple, they have violated a civil right.
That means a gay couple can indeed go to a church (or mosque or synagogue) and demand to be married. If the church refuses, they are violating a new civil right which they can then be prosecuted under law for.