Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

originally posted by: reldra
I would say hands off for now, yes. I feel comfortable with that.

You have a right to say that and I support your right to say that.

I disagree with you though.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Fromabove

Nope. I've never heard any gay person (who wasn't a Christian) ask for any sort of Christian "blessing."

Nope. The "cake baking thing" and the "picture taking episode" are about equality before the law of public accomodation.

What about the Christians who are homosexual? What about the homosexuals who are Republican? Your argument seems overly simplified.

No, being homosexual doesn't make anyone a second-class citizen ... inequitable laws like sodomy laws, blue laws and associated procedures did.

Thankfully, another one of those fell today.

There are no homosexual Christians, only those that claim to be.

The cake bake and picture show was to demand Christians serve sin, which we are strictly commanded in the Bible to not do, and will not do. The question remains, why would anyone want a cake baked by someone they know not only dislikes their behavior but considers them in defiance to God Himself, or what Exodus calls, an abomination to God.

The only reason that comes to mind is the need to have the guilty feelings removed by having Christians accept what they do, or... give them the blessing by service.

If a person disagrees with gay marriage and says so calmly with no rancor, and can explain rationally and logically how they disagree without name calling they should be allowed to expect the same from others.

If, however, they instead speak with venom, call names, and use derogatory and instigative speech, and are reacted to with the same, then, it is unfair and wrong for them to expect the other party to just sit there and take it.

If one is going to defend said behavior from those who disagree with gay marriage under the guise of free speech, then to be fair and not a hypocrite, one must also defend the right of those for gay marriage to defend themselves and respond in kind.

Which means if say a christian says, "gays are an abomination against nature and nothing but a bunch of butt pirates and a crime against God and all that's holy" someone responds to them with, "you're an outdated hateful bigot and an asshole" and you get on the case of the second person, but defend the first person's right to say what they did, you are a hypocrite, and believe the first person deserves more rights of free speech than the second.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One wonders why Christians are only "confronting" homosexuality, when they have divorce, theft, dishonesty, fornication, adultery ... not to mention pride and a lack of compassion ... what's so special about homosexuality?

My guess is because they enjoy those other sins too often and publicly so they had to ease up a bit on condemning them.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: reldra

I guess the battle will be between two protected groups, Christians and Homosexuals. If gays do not want Christians in their face, they should stay out of theirs. Equal rights means equal rights. It will be a new day when Christians stop screaming about homosexuals. They have been for hundreds of years and have mainly been on the winning end, It is the other team's turn.

You are correct. However, keep in mind. Verbal Battle against them may not work out the way you think it will. After all, if what you say is correct and Christians have been talking smack about gays for hundreds of years, in the end it apparently didn't work out too well for them did it???

It may not end well for you either should you take up their same methods.

I didn't post that. You quoted incorrectly. Your post before says posted by me.

a reply to: Gryphon66

A good Christian knows they aren't perfect so don't paint us all the same.

a reply to: reldra

Oops....Sorry....This thread is moving so fast I must have got mixed up in the process.

I publicly take redirect my comments to whomever it was supposed to go to then and not you.

Again, sorry about that. My bad.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Beezer, we are old and out of date.

If one now says anything that disagrees with the socialist liberal progressive agenda, one is engaging in hate speech.

No, you are experiencing a difference of opinion that is now in the minority.

Because I disagreed with the Supreme Court getting involved rather than letting States decide, which they had been doing and all would eventually do: I have been called (subtly, a racist and now anti-womens rights)
No matter I said I thought gays should be allowed to marry, because I see unfortunate unintended consequences in the ruling, I have been branded a hater.

One can no longer disagree with any liberal idea
one can no longer disagree with any socialist idea
one can no longer disagree with any progressive idea
regardless of the idea, be it a tiny issue or a big issue
without being bullied by the liberal socialist progressives
and being called a hater and engaging in hate speech

And we were smashed by you guys for trying to bring society to a new low for wanting to have the same simple right as you do.

This is a double edged sword my dear. Everything you are feeling, we have felt for thousands of years as gay people. It's called being in the minority - popular opinion has washed over you and now you are smarting, tis all. You'll live and the world won't end. And YES, you can still have your opinions but expect to find that most disagree with you now.

The very fact that you support the right of people who disagree
to disagree with the ruling
automatically in the eyes of the liberal socialist progressive
makes you a hater and engaging in hate speech.

The liberal socialist progressive can not tolerate free speech
if the speech in any way differs from the proscribed and
accepted ideas of the liberal socialist progressive left.

My dear we all believe in freedom of expression and opinion. I might disagree with you stance on the view of gay marriage, but I support your freedom to disagree. That is how liberal and pluaralistic views work - There are many roads to a single destination. We don't all need to be on the same road, but we are all moving forward to the same place.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Fromabove
I guess the battle will be between two protected groups, Christians and Homosexuals. If gays do not want Christians in their face, they should stay out of theirs. Equal rights means equal rights.

It will be a new day when Christians stop screaming about homosexuals. They have been for hundreds of years and have mainly been on the winning end, It is the other team's turn.

So now it's the Christians turn to be discriminated against and become second-class citizens?

No. But to be yelled at and the yelling be taken seriously.

a reply to: beezzer

Or now that marriage is now legal for gays, is it time to bash and insult Christians who may disagree?

If so called "Christians" can actually prove they are "Christians", then no

For the record:

Christians hold to the Bible which calls all of the following sin.

Fornication, adultery, incest, homosexuality, & bestiality.

fornicators, incest, and people committing adultery or sex with animals are not demanding to be given special rights and privileges, or be accepted by Christians.

All sin is sin, not just one thing alone.

a reply to: Fromabove

You speak for your god? You decide who is Christian and who isn't?

Nope. Christians "serve sin" on a daily basis, including the butcher, the baker and the candlestick-maker. None of these folks ever polled any of their other customers to determine their religious purity, did they? The baker even baked a cake for a dog's wedding.

You are, at least from my perspective, vastly overestimating the value of your (apparent) extremist take on Christianity.

There are many homosexual Christians, and many Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus and don't set themselves up as judges.

I can see that you aren't one of those. You do realize you don't speak for god or other Christians, right?

Right?

a reply to: Seamrog

"The wrath of God"... didn't need to go any further.


For those of us who don't believe in your God...... it means nothing.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Gryphon66

A good Christian knows they aren't perfect so don't paint us all the same.

Feel free to take your own advice in regard to homosexuals, liberals, et. al.

a reply to: Fromabove

You simply cannot be serious.

The next time you are in church, look around you: there are the fornicators and adulterers, sitting pretty as pie.

Probably a scattering of incest and bestiality in there too ...

Maybe you should think about getting that log out of your own eye first .... ???

/shrug

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Fromabove

You speak for your god? You decide who is Christian and who isn't?

Nope. Christians "serve sin" on a daily basis, including the butcher, the baker and the candlestick-maker. None of these folks ever polled any of their other customers to determine their religious purity, did they? The baker even baked a cake for a dog's wedding.

You are, at least from my perspective, vastly overestimating the value of your (apparent) extremist take on Christianity.

There are many homosexual Christians, and many Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus and don't set themselves up as judges.

I can see that you aren't one of those. You do realize you don't speak for god or other Christians, right?

Right?

I don't speak for God, He speaks for Himself and has said what it is. I only tell you what He said because you won't read it for yourself.

No one can claim to be a Christian and yet defy God to His face. Romans 1:18-32 tells us this. Homosexuality is the last stage before destruction according to the Bible.

Not my words, but straight from the Bible (excuse the pun).

a reply to: Seamrog

As long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law.

Equal means equal.

Not special, not protected.

Equal.

The same.

This has turned distasteful. Any attempt to silence anyone who opposes marriage will just fuel the assertions that this is what was planned all along.

I'm outa here.

*drops mic and leaves the stage*

a reply to: beezzer Had no idea this opposed marriage.