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Who is Really Behind Dylann Roof’s “Racist Manifesto” Website?

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posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa
You were the one throwing out accusations against members here for expressing "exact same opinions" as this manifesto.
I take it from your response that you actually do not have quotes to offer up in support of your nasty statement about members here.
You made a claim that you can't back up so you need to apologize for painting the entire site as "extremist" if you can't back up your "opinion" with actual quotes that you assert reflect the same ideology as the writer of the manifesto.
You can hold any opinion you wish and you can have whatever "feelings" make you feel good about yourself but you can't throw out accusations like that without backing up your accusations with actual evidence. That's what rational, critical thinking adults do.




posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt


You were the one throwing out accusations against members here for expressing "exact same opinions" as this manifesto.


Not a accusation, an observation.



I take it from your response that you actually do not have quotes to offer up in support of your nasty statement about members here.


You can take it however you want. You admitted yourself that you didn't even read the manifesto, so you wouldn't know either way.



You made a claim that you can't back up so you need to apologize for painting the entire site as "extremist" if you can't back up your "opinion" with actual quotes that you assert reflect the same ideology as the writer of the manifesto.


imo, my "claim" can quite easily be backed up. There's a link in the article posted in the OP to the manifesto, you can read it and either agree or disagree. I'm not obligated to physically copy and paste quotes from a vile racist rant, in order to justify my opinion. Not to mention that posting quotes form it would probably be against T&C, for the most part.



You made a claim that you can't back up so you need to apologize for painting the entire site as "extremist" if you can't back up your "opinion" with actual quotes that you assert reflect the same ideology as the writer of the manifesto.


Never once did I insinuate or outright "paint" the entire site as extremist. I painted extremists as extreme.

Anyway... I never even singled anyone out, so who would I apologize to? Even if I was in any way sorry for pointing out the clear conservative rhetoric.



You can hold any opinion you wish and you can have whatever "feelings" make you feel good about yourself but you can't throw out accusations like that without backing up your accusations with actual evidence.


Well, thank you for giving me permission to have whatever option I want. But saying it and actually doing it is two different things, your attitude seems to lack the latter.



That's what rational, critical thinking adults do.


No... rational, critical thinking adults, would actually read the manifesto, before telling me what my opinion on it is allowed to be.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa
You accused posters to this site of having the "exact same opinions" as in the manifesto.
Perhaps you've read threads on this site that I've never read, but I've never seen the "exact same opinions" expressed here. I'm asking to prove your accusation but you have refused to pull up even one quote from a poster here holding those "exact same" views.
I never asked you to post from the manifesto, it's readily available and yes, contrary to your statement, I've read it.
My observation is that you just wanted to stir the stuff since you refuse to provide any evidence that anyone on this site has expressed "the exact same opinions" as those expressed in the racist rant that has been attributed to Roof.
I maintain that he didn't write it and I have serious doubts that he had facilities to post to it after he was arrested. I have no idea who the author was but it has all the hallmarks of a "doctored up" document.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

It's the truth. It's something you observe even just in passing. No one is obligated to dig through posts to prove it to you.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: diggindirt

It's the truth. It's something you observe even just in passing. No one is obligated to dig through posts to prove it to you.

If you throw out accusations that way, you really, really do need to back it up with something other than "It was an observation." since that's way too vague.
It may be your "feeling" or your "observation" but if you have "observed" it, you need to show it to the rest of us. "Observation" means you saw it and thus can show us exactly what you mean.
At least I thought that was the way the site works to deny ignorance.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Subaeruginosa
I'm asking to prove your accusation but you have refused to pull up even one quote from a poster here holding those "exact same" views.


So your asking me to go though past threads about perceived "black vs white" violence, find a quote that resembles the claims made in the manifesto, then single the person out by posting the quote in this thread?

Yeah.... and I'm the one stirring the pot (emphasize sarcasm).



I maintain that he didn't write it and I have serious doubts that he had facilities to post to it after he was arrested. I have no idea who the author was but it has all the hallmarks of a "doctored up" document.


You may be right, it'd just be conjecture to say either way, imo.

But if Roof wasn't the authour, then the person who did write it deliberately did so in the character of a stereotypical fanatical conservative.

So yeah, of course this forum has posters who tend to be text book stereotypical conservatives, just like there's plenty of very stereotypical (fanatical) liberals, as well as people of every political standing in between. It's the diversity of ATS that makes it so interesting.

If you don't agree with my observation that the manifesto had a very typical conservative tone to it...... well fair enough. But there's no point in continuing to demand that I either change my opinion or single out a member as being 'overly' conservative in there political stance, because I'm not going to do neither. No matter how much you demand it!



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

But it is an observation. You're also not supposed to single out other ATS members, that's against TC's.
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posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

I'm not demanding that you change your opinion, just back up your words with proof of the veracity of your statement that posters on this site express the "exact same opinions" as Roof's alleged manifesto.
You were the one who threw out the broad-brush accusation against people on the site---it wasn't me so don't try to turn the tables here. If you make the accusation, you need to back it up with actual posts in which "the exact same opinions" are expressed or I'll begin to believe it was just hate speech on your part.
Of course there are fanatical opinions expressed on here but if I came here saying I see posters expressing "the exact same opinions" as some crazy racist person, I'd expect to have to back up that assertion with actual quotes from actual posts.
You obviously don't have those quotes to offer so I'm going to have to believe that you simply like making broad, nasty statements about people who hold views different from yours without any proof of your invective.
You've been adequate in expressing your opinion, throwing out your ugliness for all to see. I bid you good evening.



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posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Dude, where just going around in circles now, you asked me to violate T&C and I declined. I'm afraid your just going to have to be content with that.

Maybe just relax with some of that fine Kentucky whiskey you can get so cheap. Sit back, take a big breath and then build a bridge.

Peace



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 07:18 PM
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From the Washington Post on the people who found the manifesto



I will not stand for another news cycle of ‘poor little boy gone wrong because of mental illness/dysfunctional family/drug use etc’ while victims like Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner are painted as thugs and criminals,” said Emma Quangel, one of the two pseudonymous sleuths who found Roof’s site.


It's so curious that a search for 'Emma Quangel' brought up this piece on 'Spooks' and the CIA, by EM Quangel, on the website MANYFESTO:

manyfesto.org...



posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Subaeruginosa
You were the one throwing out accusations against members here for expressing "exact same opinions" as this manifesto.
I take it from your response that you actually do not have quotes to offer up in support of your nasty statement about members here.
You made a claim that you can't back up so you need to apologize for painting the entire site as "extremist" if you can't back up your "opinion" with actual quotes that you assert reflect the same ideology as the writer of the manifesto.
You can hold any opinion you wish and you can have whatever "feelings" make you feel good about yourself but you can't throw out accusations like that without backing up your accusations with actual evidence. That's what rational, critical thinking adults do.


I'll jump in here and say, just the other day, someone on this site used the same "different breeds" argument against black people.

They said Iraqi's needed a dictator to keep them in line. Then went on about black people in America being much the same.

He/she was being rather cryptic but I squeezed the juice out of her/his posts.

I haven't posted here long but have encountered the stereotypical right wingers. Nothing wrong with this forum...they're everywhere.

On a different note the person who found his manifesto is a "tankie" and a radical feminist. Those sorts are the worst "socialism" has to offer. Marxist-Leninists, in her case Maoist. I don't think these sorts of people are interested in Saul Alinsky. They're troglodytes to the tenth power with fantasies of storming the winter palace in Russia. Or reliving those conditions. The RadFem views are also grossly outdated. As if it's 1935. Heck, they were outdated when they came out in the 1970's.

Anyway, why is it hard to believe a racist would go and kill people of color? The whole WPWW "movement" is fixated on starting some sort of "race war". The guy was a white nationalist. It's a violent ideology. Much more extreme than the average "conservative" mindset no doubt. I wouldn't compare the average conservative to this guy.



posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 02:34 AM
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I did a simple WHOIS at networksolutions (A domain creation site) and here is the domains owner info:



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lastrhodesian.com


Domain name: lastrhodesian.com
Domain idn name: lastrhodesian.com
Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org...
Registry Domain ID:
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.reg.ru
Registrar URL: www.reg.com...
Registrar URL: www.reg.ru...
Registrar URL: www.reg.ua...
Updated Date: 2015-02-09
Creation Date: 2015-02-09T17:18:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-02-09
Registrar: Domain names registrar REG.RU LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 1606
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@reg.ru
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +7.4955801111
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Registrant Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the
domain owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator
Registrant City: Nobby Beach
Registrant State/Province: Queensland
Registrant Postal Code: QLD 4218
Registrant Country: AU
Registrant Phone: +45.36946676
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: contact@privacyprotect.org
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Admin Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator
Admin City: Nobby Beach
Admin State/Province: Queensland
Admin Postal Code: QLD 4218
Admin Country: AU
Admin Phone: +45.36946676
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: contact@privacyprotect.org
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Tech Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator
Tech City: Nobby Beach
Tech State/Province: Queensland
Tech Postal Code: QLD 4218
Tech Country: AU
Tech Phone: +45.36946676
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: contact@privacyprotect.org
Name Server: ns1.hosting.reg.ru
Name Server: ns2.hosting.reg.ru
DNSSEC: Unsigned

For more information on Whois status codes, please visit
www.icann.org...

The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness.

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It's using a Russian DNS - ns1.hosting.reg.ru
And it shows the 'Owner' as living in Queensland... you can fake this stuff though..

Maybe nefarious Russian agents are somehow creating race issues trying to do to our country, what the CIA did to Libya etc.? (make everyone hate each other). I don't see how they could get cops to shoot black people though.. just a shot in the dark.. I highly doubt it's true.. maybe the killer registered it outside the US so as it doesn't get taken down?

Who knows.. very odd though.


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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: JeanPaul
I don't doubt that there are threads I've not bothered to read that have racist comments/attitude. I don't find them plentiful but I don't spend the amount of time on this site that other posters do. It would be a rare forum indeed if it didn't have racists doing what they do. But I've never seen one that I even remotely considered to be "intelligent," as referred to in the post to which I replied.
I have no problem believing that a racist would kill people of color. I have no problem believing that this young man's twisted brain had him convinced that he needed to start that race war. But what his lunacy didn't take into account was the people of Charleston.

What is a "tankie"? Forgive my ignorance.

ETA: WOW! I just looked it up in the urban dictionary. Just in case there are others who shared my ignorance:



The term derives from the fact that the divisions within the communist movement first arose when the Soviet Union sent tanks into communist Hungary in 1956, to crush an attempt to establish an alternative version of communism which was not embraced by the Russians. Most communists outside the eastern bloc opposed this action and criticised the Soviet Union. The "tankies" were those who said "send the tanks in". The epithet has stuck because tankies also supported "sending the tanks in" in cases such as Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Bosnia and Kosovo/a (in the case of the Serbian state), and so on (whereas the rest of the communist movement has gravitated towards anti-militarism).



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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: diggindirt

What's mind boggling is how he put that "Manifesto" and pictures up on the site in question on June 20th.

He (allegedly) killed those people on June 17th, and was "apprehended" on June 18th.



I imagine a rational explanation exists somewhere.



My computer geek friends assure me that if he was in jail he would have needed to have his phone or some similar e-gadget with him in the cell. They say finding the address of the poster on that website would be helpful in determining if the post was made from jail.
Logic tells me that the cops would have confiscated his phone/e-gadgets when they arrested him. I simply can't imagine them handing it back to him so he could post this....
So if it came from his IP addy....

If it didn't come from his IP----what was its origin?
It will take someone with far more computer knowledge than I possess to figure this out. All help appreciated.

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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Stormdancer777

They did indeed.

They had him at "21" even though the pictures looked more like 16 to me.



I'd wager a guess they got that info off the church-goers.

They knew who the suspect was before he was caught.



posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: Pharyax

Might be the hosting company he used is in Aus. If you don't outright own your own domain it will show the company you used.

Not had a look at this myself yet.

Odd he would use Aus though.

I think the June dates might just be when it gets checked on. Need a creation date not an update date



posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 08:00 AM
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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 08:38 AM
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Never mind found his website and it was CREATED on Feb 9 2015


I can't copy paste quote link etc On iPad
Cannot provide all info here, here's the essentials:


Domain Name: LASTRHODESIAN.COM
Creation Date: 09-feb-2015
Expiration Date: 09-feb-2016
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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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The site has blocked pages that are in Russian. Unclear why he would use a Russian hosting company unless he speaks and reads Russian

I read the manifesto it seemed recent regarding his plan towards the end of it.

There's one photo that's graphic. The others aren' t there.


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posted on Jun, 29 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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For the purpose of understanding thread OP. Regarding if Dylann Roof did the website
Here is the link to manifesto. I see no reason I shouldn't post it.

lastrhodesian.com...
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