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posted on Jun, 25 2015 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: antoinemarionette
Evidence? Here's evidence from a law enforcement officer in Australia.

If this was about anything but vaccines, his testimony would be iron-clad in any court of law.

POLICE OFFICER BLOWS LID ON VACCINE CRIMES


no testimony is ironclad without evidence to back it up, even in a court of law, witness testimony has to survive cross examination. this policeman's opinions do not survive even the most cursory examination. he is not a doctor, he is policeman. he wouldn't even be considered an "expert witness" in a vaccination trial.

for example, he claims vaccination causes shaken baby syndrome (SBS) and kills children. SBS is the name originally given to a triad of findings consisting of subdural hemorrhage, retinal hemorrhage, and encephalopathy. more recently, because the syndrome is more complex than the original description suggested, the syndrome is more properly referred to as non-accidental head injury or abusive head trauma.

a recent study outlined the folowing "exhaustive" list of conditions that can cause the traid of findings:

chronic subdural haemorrhage
accidental falls
resuscitated SIDS
cortical vein and sinus thrombosis
inflicted injury
vitamin d deficiency
second impact syndrome (a second head injury, often very mild, occurring days or weeks after a first)
aneurysm rupture
rare genetic conditions

nowhere in that list is the term "vaccination injury". the bottom line is that the claim that SBS is in reality due to “vaccine injury” ignores the wealth of clinical data indicating that SBS (now more frequently and formally referred to as “abusive head trauma”) is a distinct clinical entity that has been well-studied and is probably underdiagnosed. although there is controversy over the pathophysiology of SBS, how much force is necessary to produce it (hence the additional term to describe it), whether it’s underdiagnosed, what clinical entities can be confused with SBS, and whether it’s sometimes over-prosecuted, there is no controversy that SBS is not “vaccine injury.”

when antivaccinationists insist that it is, they abuse science, reason, and morality. they also demonstrate that they are about hatred of vaccines, not clarifying the science and evidence behind abusive head trauma, SBS, or whatever the entity might be called in the future. the "studies" these people use to support their opinion are quite weak. most are available only online from non-recognized sources, and are "based on personal experiences of the authors". the rest of the "evidence" is based on personal testimonials of involved parents and physicians.
these ideas are well-debunked here.

officer savage also claims that doctors will "in a heartbeat, give you something that will slowly kill you". as if there is no such thing as the hipocratic oath.
edit on 26-6-2015 by spygeek because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 12:12 AM
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originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Kapusta
Cool! She knows better than just about every Autism group and the science behind it. Must be a smart woman!

It is human nature to look for something to blame when something goes wrong. Sometimes it is just a coincidence.



She knows her Child better than any Group or science , the rising cases in Autism after vaccination is not a Coincidence .



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Kapusta
Cool! She knows better than just about every Autism group and the science behind it. Must be a smart woman!

It is human nature to look for something to blame when something goes wrong. Sometimes it is just a coincidence.



She knows her Child better than any Group or science


i doubt she knows genetic disease and medicine better than any group or science.


the rising cases in Autism after vaccination is not a Coincidence .


again, correlation does not imply causation. autism often first becomes apparent in childhood, immunisation occurs in childhood. you might as well link the rising cases of autism in young people with riding the bus to school, or watching cartoons.

it's still debated whether austism is actually on the rise:


"There's a lot of controversy about that," says Jeff Milunsky, MD, director of clinical genetics and associate director of the Center for Human Genetics at Boston University.

Two researchers who tracked the rate of autism in children born in the same area of England from 1992 to 1995 and then from 1996 to 1998 found that the rates were comparable, and concluded that the incidence of autism was stable. The study was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2005.

But, Milunsky says, several studies have documented an increase in the U.S.

In a recent report in the journal Archives of Disease in Childhood, Milunsky and his colleagues point to several studies finding an increase in autism rates. In 2003, for instance, a large study conducted in Atlanta found that one in 166 to one in 250 children had autism, according to a report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.


still, there is no evidence to support a link with vaccinations.


"There's been a lot of progress in the last few years in terms of understanding the causes of autism," Natowicz says. "We know a lot more than we did."

Often, a child with autism will have a co-existing problem, such as a seizure disorder, depression, anxiety, or gastrointestinal or other health problems. At least 60 different disorders -- genetic, metabolic, and neurologic -- have been associated with autism, according to a report published in The New EnglandJournal of Medicine.

On one point most agree: A combination of genetics and environmental factors may play a role. Scientists are looking at both areas.

Many U.S. couples have delayed childbearing, and the older ages of both the mother and the father have been linked with a higher risk of having children with ASD, according to a report in the journal Pediatrics. With age could come increased risk for genetic mutations or other genetic problems.

Though many parents of children with ASD believe their child's condition was caused by vaccines that used to contain thimerosal (a mercury-containing preservative), the Institute of Medicine concludes there is no causal association.


several very well-done population-based studies have been conducted into the link between autism and vaccinations, although they aren't very widely reported. these hard facts tend not to resonate with the public consciousness and media as much as anecdotes and sob stories from concerned individuals and interest groups do. this has been a problem with health scares for decades, and shows no sign of going away. the particular studies have looked at actual populations in real life conditions, exposed to the actual substance in question; none have shown any connection between autism and the thimerosal preservative or vaccines. there is overwhelming evidence that thimerosal-containing vaccines, or any others, play no role in the development of autism.

many autistic adults maintain that it is hate speech to claim that vaccines cause autism because it implies claiming ipso facto that a person is better off dead of an easily preventable disease than alive and autistic.
edit on 26-6-2015 by spygeek because: typos



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Kapusta
Cool! She knows better than just about every Autism group and the science behind it. Must be a smart woman!

It is human nature to look for something to blame when something goes wrong. Sometimes it is just a coincidence.



She knows her Child better than any Group or science , the rising cases in Autism after vaccination is not a Coincidence .

Can't argue with that...however, I'm sure she doesn't know human physiology and the interaction of certain medications better than any group or science.
Rising cases of Autism isn't a coincidence? Why do people insist on listening to a Jenny Quasi-Celebrity McCarthy?



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: spygeek

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Kapusta
Cool! She knows better than just about every Autism group and the science behind it. Must be a smart woman!

It is human nature to look for something to blame when something goes wrong. Sometimes it is just a coincidence.



She knows her Child better than any Group or science


i doubt she knows genetic disease and medicine better than any group or science.


the rising cases in Autism after vaccination is not a Coincidence .


again, correlation does not imply causation. autism often first becomes apparent in childhood, immunisation occurs in childhood. you might as well link the rising cases of autism in young people with riding the bus to school, or watching cartoons.

it's still debated whether austism is actually on the rise:


"There's a lot of controversy about that," says Jeff Milunsky, MD, director of clinical genetics and associate director of the Center for Human Genetics at Boston University.

Two researchers who tracked the rate of autism in children born in the same area of England from 1992 to 1995 and then from 1996 to 1998 found that the rates were comparable, and concluded that the incidence of autism was stable. The study was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2005.

But, Milunsky says, several studies have documented an increase in the U.S.

In a recent report in the journal Archives of Disease in Childhood, Milunsky and his colleagues point to several studies finding an increase in autism rates. In 2003, for instance, a large study conducted in Atlanta found that one in 166 to one in 250 children had autism, according to a report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.


still, there is no evidence to support a link with vaccinations.


"There's been a lot of progress in the last few years in terms of understanding the causes of autism," Natowicz says. "We know a lot more than we did."

Often, a child with autism will have a co-existing problem, such as a seizure disorder, depression, anxiety, or gastrointestinal or other health problems. At least 60 different disorders -- genetic, metabolic, and neurologic -- have been associated with autism, according to a report published in The New EnglandJournal of Medicine.

On one point most agree: A combination of genetics and environmental factors may play a role. Scientists are looking at both areas.

Many U.S. couples have delayed childbearing, and the older ages of both the mother and the father have been linked with a higher risk of having children with ASD, according to a report in the journal Pediatrics. With age could come increased risk for genetic mutations or other genetic problems.

Though many parents of children with ASD believe their child's condition was caused by vaccines that used to contain thimerosal (a mercury-containing preservative), the Institute of Medicine concludes there is no causal association.


several very well-done population-based studies have been conducted into the link between autism and vaccinations, although they aren't very widely reported. these hard facts tend not to resonate with the public consciousness and media as much as anecdotes and sob stories from concerned individuals and interest groups do. this has been a problem with health scares for decades, and shows no sign of going away. The particular studies have looked at actual populations in real life conditions, exposed to the actual substance in question; none have shown any connection between autism and the thimerosal preservative or vaccines. there is overwhelming evidence that thimerosal-containing vaccines, or any others, play no role in the development of autism.

many autistic adults maintain that it is hate speech to claim that vaccines cause autism because it implies claiming ipso facto that a person is better off dead of an easily preventable disease than alive and autistic.


I respect your Opinion on this but I disagree . She knows her Child better than anyone ...

Can I ask you , Why are their so many parents out their who say they Noticed change in their child right after vaccinations ?

are you trying to convince me its all a coincidence.

Bottom line I am inclined to believe people over Paid researchers .




posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:11 AM
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For those of you who think it is good science to inject your children with mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, MSG and rhesus monkey fetal diploid cells because no one has any "proof" that it is not safe... that is your right. Please go for it if you believe the pharmaceutical industry truly has your best interest at heart.




posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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a reply to: Kapusta

The Scorpions - Alien Nation



"Alien Nation" - Lyrics

In the heat of the violence
The night's exploding everywhere
When hate pulls the trigger
The devil comes to take his share
In the garden of Eden
The time is running out so fast
Into heart of the demon
With no escape our die is cast

In the city of angels
Death is just a moment away
In the city of angels
Your future won't see the light of the day

Beware of the alien nation
Beware of the truth that they seek
They pray for eternal salvation
They pray for your soul to keep

On the eve of destruction
A reign of terror rules the street
When the heads start rolling
The devil comes to let it bleed

In the city of angels
Death is just a moment away
In the city of angels
Your future won't see the light of the day

Walk on past the alien nation
Walk on to the end of your reach
No fear of the alien nation
No fear of the hatred they preach

Don't run, there's no place to hide
Today or tomorrow it will get you
Don't move, the knife is right at your throat
And whatever you do, there's no way out
When the shroud comes down on this place
To bury us all alive
We'll know the time has come, to face the heat

Beware of the alien nation
Beware of the truth that they seek
They pray for eternal salvation
They pray for your soul to keep
Walk on past the alien nation
Walk on to the end of your reach
They pray for eternal damnation
They pray for your soul to keep



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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I respect your Opinion on this but I disagree . She knows her Child better than anyone ...


i respect your opinion too, but she can't possibly know more about genetic disease than a qualified professional.


Can I ask you , Why are their so many parents out their who say they Noticed change in their child right after vaccinations ?


can i ask you what change they noticed? physical or psychological? did they take their children to a doctor? which vaccinations did their children receive, specifically, was it mmr?


are you trying to convince me its all a coincidence.


not at all, i'm trying to figure out what is leading these people to believe that vaccinations have caused autism in their children above all other recognised causes, when all current science and study proves it is not possible..


Bottom line I am inclined to believe people over Paid researchers .


i am inclined to believe people who have made medicine their profession and have the ability to form a qualified professional conclusion based on rigourous study on the matter over anyone.




i am familiar with this paper, it has been discredited. dr. wakefield published this study in the lancet in 1998 claiming that the 12 children with neurodevelopmental delays (eight of whom had autism) he examined had the measles virus in their guts. serious ethical problems such as financial ties to trial lawyers and a skewed sample group brought the validity of the study into question. subsequent studies have failed to replicate dr. wakefield's results and he is currently facing professional misconduct charges as a result of this study in front of the united kingdom's general medical council.

ten of the 13 original authors have since retracted their names from the paper, and the lancet has discredited its findings, yet the controversy has continued despite the lack of science connecting the mmr vaccine to autism.

the following studies have disproven the hypothesis that mmr vaccines cause autism:

Safety of Vaccines Used for routine Immunization of US Children: A Systematic Review
Pediatrics, Maglione et al. (July 1, 2014)

DisordersMeasles Vaccination and Antibody Response in Autism Spectrum
Archives of Disease in Childhood, Gillian Baird, F.R.C.Paed. (February 2008)

Pervasiv e Developmental Disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and Links With Immunizations
Pediatrics, Eric Fombonne, MD (Volume 118, Number 1, July 2006)

MMR Vaccination and Pervasive Developmental Disorders: A Case-Control Study
The Lancet, Liam Smeeth, MRCGP (September 11, 2004)

Association of Autistic Spectrum Disorder and the Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine
Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, Kumanan Wilson, MD, MSc, FRCP (July 2003)

Neurologic Disorders After Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination
Pediatrics, Annamari Makela, MD (Volume 110, Number 5, November 2002)

No Evidence for a New Variant of Measles-Mumps-Rubella-Induced Autism
Pediatrics, Eric Fombonne, FRCPsych (Volume 108, Number 4, October 2001)



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:36 AM
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Lets see , the STATE of Californacation is going to use your Children as Guinea Pigs to Test Vaccines that Parents do not know for Sure are Safe , nor the Complete Chemical Composition in them . If they happen to get Sick or even Die , then that's to Bad Mommy and Daddy...........Hmm..



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:39 AM
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This is not scientific proof. It is anecdotal but no less powerful.

Then for a little brevity.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:41 AM
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originally posted by: antoinemarionette
For those of you who think it is good science to inject your children with mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, MSG and rhesus monkey fetal diploid cells because no one has any "proof" that it is not safe... that is your right. Please go for it if you believe the pharmaceutical industry truly has your best interest at heart.



"mercury"


Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.



formaldehyde


I won't go into industrial exposure, as it does not apply to the majority of us, but in addition to off-gassing from products like carpet, upholstery and combustibles, formaldehyde is all around us. The NIH Report on Carcinogens, 12th Edition, profile on formaldehyde states that it is in the "air, soil, food, treated and bottled drinking water, surface water and groundwater". Our primary route of exposure is breathing it, indoors or outdoors. Much of this inhaled formaldehyde comes from car exhaust, tobacco smoke, power plants, forest fires and wood stoves. Outdoors, we are exposed to anywhere from 0 to 100 parts per billion (ppb) every day. Indoors, it can be as much as 500 to 2,000 ppb (temporary housing such as that used after hurricane Katrina measured from 3-590 ppb). To a smaller degree, we ingest it in our food and water (the average American diet contains about 10-20mg of formaldehyde from things like apples, carrots, pears, milk, etc.), as well as some exposure via cosmetics.

Formaldehyde plays an essential role in our metabolism. As part of the metabolic process, formaldehyde, whether from an external source or produced by our bodies, is converted into formate (PDF) by the enzyme formaldehyde dehydrogenase. The resulting formate can then be eliminated in the urine, further broken down into CO2 and exhaled, or used by our cell machinery to synthesize nucleotides and nucleobases, such as purines and thymidine.

Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged. Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.


aluminum hydroxide + phosphate


Under the generic name algeldrate, aluminium hydroxide is used as an antacid. Brand names include Alu-Cap, Aludrox, Gaviscon or Pepsamar. It reacts with excess acid in the stomach, reducing the acidity of the stomach content, which may relieve the symptoms of ulcers, heartburn or dyspepsia. It can however cause constipation and is therefore often used with magnesium hydroxide or magnesium carbonate, which have counterbalancing laxative effects. This compound is also used to control phosphate (phosphorus) levels in the blood of people suffering from kidney failure.

Precipitated aluminium hydroxide is included as an adjuvant in some vaccines (e.g. anthrax vaccine). One of the well-known brands of aluminium hydroxide adjuvant is Alhydrogel, made by Brenntag. Since it absorbs protein well, it also functions to stabilize vaccines by preventing the proteins in the vaccine from precipitating or sticking to the walls of the container during storage. Aluminium hydroxide is sometimes mistakenly called "alum": "alum" properly refers to aluminium potassium sulfate.

Vaccine formulations containing aluminium hydroxide stimulate the immune system by inducing the release of uric acid, an immunological danger signal. This strongly attracts certain types of monocytes which differentiate into dendritic cells. The dendritic cells pick up the antigen, carry it to lymph nodes, and stimulate T cells and B cells. It appears to contribute to induction of a good Th2 response, so is useful for immunizing against pathogens that are blocked by antibodies. However, it has little capacity to stimulate cellular (Th1) immune responses, important for protection against many pathogens, nor is it useful when the antigen is peptide-based.


msg


Glutamic acid is found in every food that contains protein and is responsible for the savory umami taste we associate with meats, fish, spinach, tomatoes, cheese, soy sauce and so forth. In its sodium form, glutamate is added to packaged foods, as well, to help enhance the flavor. It is also found in breast milk.

MSG happens to act as a stabilizer. They help to prevent chemicals from interacting or separating out, as well as preventing oxidation or damage from light. It is this ability to keep things from breaking down that MSG is added to vaccines, protecting them from being altered when "exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity".

Now that we know why it is added to vaccines, which ones actually contain MSG, and how much? Not many actually use it. Glutamate is added as a nutrient to the growth medium for MMR-II and is not in the final product in significant amounts; monosodium glutamate is added to FluMist (0.188 mg/0.2 mL dose); monosodium L-glutamate is added to ProQuad (.4mg), Zostavax (.62mg) and Varivax (.5mg); and potassium glutamate is added to RabAvert (1mg).

How do these discreet doses compare, then, to other sources and to what we know about safe daily intake and metabolism?
1/2 cup of peas contains 48 times the glutamate in Varivax and 127 times the amount in FluMist
One cup of breast milk contains 352 times the amount found in Varivax and 936 times the amount in FluMist
The safe, daily intake of glutamate is 12,000 times the MSG in Varivax and 32,000 times what is in FluMist
In short, the amount of glutamate, in any form, found in vaccines is miniscule in comparison to other sources of the chemical, and it is a drop in the ocean compared to daily intake.


rhesus monkey fetal tissues are in very very few vaccines and are harmless.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:49 AM
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All that hard work and effort to try an convince us Otherwise does not sit well with me .

ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported
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So if the vaccine can cause death would you agree that it can have other harmful effects on the body ?

Feel free you go on youtube and look at all the videos parents have posted of their now autistic children pre and post vaccination .

The change is Shocking .

the pattern I have noticed through testimony is that after a vaccination the child develops a fever then a rash associated with diarrhea lasting weeks .

then the regression sets in .

My question is WHY are so many parents noticing regression and signs of Autism right after receiving vaccination ?

It's a common pattern that has prompted research ... Does this not make you wonder ?



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:51 AM
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As someone said, when something bad happens to children, we tend to look for an external source to blame. The age that children begin to develop autism coincides with the age they need to get certain vaccinations. It really is coincidental. Science is also on the side that autism has a genetic link, not environmental, and is therefore inevitable for children with the genetic anomalies. Now, there have been a few cases where autism can be offset early in children due to stress. I can't think of anything more traumatizing for a young infant/toddler/child then getting their vaccination/booster shots.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 01:57 AM
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Despite the conviction of the necessity and safety of vaccinations, there are a number of studies coming forward that illustrate the potential dangers they may pose. A scientific review published by the Department of Paediatric Rehabilitation from the Medical School at the University of Bialystok has determined that there are a number of neurological adverse events that follow vaccination. This research is specific to Polish vaccinations, but is still useful given the fact that many ingredients used and examined in the study are still used in vaccinations all over the world.

The University of Bialystok is a well known medical university that has published a tremendous amount of research on various topics. The evidence that’s out there supporting the hazards of vaccines is irrefutable. There is a lot of research that medical professionals are not privy to, this is credible research coming out of Universities done by doctors and professors. Medical professionals are usually guided to research done by pharmaceutical companies and the vaccine manufactures themselves. It’s important to look at both sides of the coin, and examine all information available before coming to a conclusion.

It is not reasonable to assume that manipulation of the immune system through an increasing number of vaccinations during critical periods of brain development will not result in adverse neurodevelopment outcomes(1)




Post-Vaccine Neurological Complications
The authors focused on thimerosal, otherwise known as ethylmercury. It’s known to be a key ingredient in vaccines for preservation. A number of conditions are associated with thimerosal including toxicity of the heart, liver, kidneys and the nervous system. Over the last two decades, neurological conditions such as epilepsy, autism, ADHD and mental retardation have increased dramatically all over the world.

From the 1990s new vaccines for infants containing thimerosal began to be used in America. In the DTP, Hib and Hep B vaccines, children received a dose 62.5 ug of mercury, which is 125-fold more than the dose considered safe, which is 0.1 ug a day. These reports were the reason that Scandinavian countries already prohibited the use of mercury in 1990(1)
Research has shown that there is a direct relationship between thimerosal and the rate of autism. The paper determined that there was also a correlation between the number of measles-containing vaccines and autism prevalence during the 1980’s. A couple of years ago, an Italian court ruled that the MMR vaccine was the cause of Autism in the case presented. A recent study by the University of British Colombia came out exposing the HPV vaccine as being dangerous to health as well. UBC doctors also exposed a Vaccination cover-up, demonstrating through official documents that vaccine manufactures have been aware of their adverse effects for a number of years.


LINK

try sourcing research outside the US , Research that is not directed and funded by corporations trying to protect their interest
edit on 06/17/2015 by Kapusta because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 02:09 AM
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originally posted by: antoinemarionette
For those of you who think it is good science to inject your children with mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, MSG and rhesus monkey fetal diploid cells because no one has any "proof" that it is not safe... that is your right. Please go for it if you believe the pharmaceutical industry truly has your best interest at heart.


And that's what it boils down to. A belief. Where the one side has science, testing, decades of data, the other side has fear, internet memes and Jenny McCarthy.

Everyone can believe what they want, but I will never put my kids in harms way for diseases that should be eradicated by now. The other side believes herd immunity will save their kids from getting these diseases. What they don't know is that some kids CAN'T get these vaccinations due to a compromised immune system from childhood illnesses or battling cancer. Those kids NEED and DESERVE the herd immunity. Not those parents that believe a disease we can eradicate should be given a second chance...



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 02:23 AM
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Do you happen to have a link to the paper so that I may read it? It just takes me to another mumbo jumbo website and then following it, to a 404 error.

So far what I have read is just more fear.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 07:01 AM
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Unfortunately this isn't about science it's about belief and belief can be irrational. All science associated with pro vaccination is dismissed and replaced with anecdotes : "I know someone who....".

You are preaching to the converted my friend and totally dismissed by those who you wish to educate with facts.

.....time to duck.....



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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I'm pro-choice, pro-freedom.

Whatever my opinion would be on vaccines, people have the right to have access to vaccine and have the right to refuse. Anything else is facism, period.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: theMediator
I'm pro-choice, pro-freedom.

Whatever my opinion would be on vaccines, people have the right to have access to vaccine and have the right to refuse. Anything else is facism, period.

Then the people that get vaccinated have the right to not allow non-vaccinated people in their communities. I mean, people were screaming for the borders to be shut when the Ebola scare was happening. The hypocrisy is astounding.



posted on Jun, 26 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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My belief is that vaccines give particular protection in exchange for weakening our overall immune system little by little.
I also believe that the more disease we catch during our lifetime, the worst our overalll health become.

It has also been proven that viruses can affect DNA...

Vaccines don't give lifelong protection, only temporary. In fact, getting measles while young isn't as dangerous as catching it during adulthood. The freshly vaccinated can be contagious too.

Big pharma is constantly lobbying the government and the FDA, they make money when people are sick and more profits year after year seems to be the only goals big corporations have.

I'm not even counting rumours of autism and by adding things up...
I rather take the chance of MAYBE getting a disease that CAN'T kill me or my kids instead of taking chances on vaccines.

If YOU believe in vaccines, it's your right to get vaccinated and I would fight for that right just as I hope you would fight for MY right of freedom of choice.



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