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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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Matthew 5:17-2021st Century King James Version (KJ21)

17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in
any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled."


The laws are still in effect, all of them. God's law is above man's law and when man's law goes against God's law we are to disobey man's law. To participate in same sex weddings is the same as showing support for it. Those who support the sin are also guilty of that sin. Just like with man's law, you don't have to pull the trigger to be guilty of a murder, you just need to be an accessory to the murder.
Why choose murder as an example...the penalty for murder in many places is death of the flesh. The penalty for same sex sin is the death of the soul. Death of the soul is far greater than death of the flesh.

No we do not have an unnatural fear of your sexual behavior, we do not hate you, we are not discriminating against you. We are just not willing to turn our backs on God or His laws for you. We will not exault ourselves above God and mislead you into believing your sin is
ok; it's not.

As followers of Christ we believe what he said and what he said was that the laws were still in effect. Anyone claiming to be a Christian but tells you it's ok to practice same sex is not a real Christian but an apostate. They are misleading you, they are pushing you further down the wrong path, they are exaulting themselves above God, they are calling Jesus a liar, and are heading down the same path as you. To mislead someone into doing what will harm them is hate.

Some of you are parents and have probably had to tell your child no to things that could harm him/her, they most likely responded in anger. This is how so many of you respond to real Christians who are telling you that what you are doing is harmful to you and if we
participate in it will also be harmful to us. You respond with anger and hate. It doesn't matter if you believe in God or not. We believe and we also believe that Jesus was telling the truth when he said that none of the laws have changed.

The apostacy of the church is in full swing and the birthpains are getting closer and
stronger.

Romans 1:21-32 (KJV)


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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

And I am suppose to care why ? Why you won't ? Frankly I don't care if you do or don't much less won't. It matters very little to me how you interpret law and how they apply to you....there is nothing you can do against me or mine that will change me...as God made me...not you so be sure and apply the same laws to yourself that you wish to undermine me with and again I don't care...as I WON'T Either !



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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I guess it won't be long before you and all the "real" Christians start stoning people to death...

That's the law, isn't it?



It's 2015...
Join us when you're ready.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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Don't go to a wedding than?

seems simple, instead of preaching about it and saying"Gods law is above mans law" even though not everyone believes in god so you can't enforce "His law" especially since the Bible was not written by God but by Man .. just don't go



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

I'll make a naive assumption that you know what 'ahimsa' means and ask that you practise it. Practise it in your actions, words, and thoughts.

Real Christians???????


A Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu doctrine expressing belief in the sacredness of all living creatures and urging the avoidance of harm and violence.




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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

Do I even need to cite all the passages of sins you commit daily that send you to the same hell?

I mean... either you cherry pick or you don't. I know for a fact you don't follow the old testament because, if you did, you would be serving a life sentence by now.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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You don't want to have anything to do with a same sex wedding? Then don't. Get out of the marriage business and you won't have to. Simples.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:09 PM
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Not one of you understood what I was saying.

So many here are all upset and unable to understand why we won't participate in same sex celebrations and call us haters for not baking you cakes. It isn't about hate, but your response to me is very hatefilled.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

I don't understand what the Scripture you cited has to do with your persecution of homosexual marriage.

I also don't understand why the terms of someone else's love and union matters to you; I mean...... you have your own union to concern yourself with, right? Why does it bother you so?

Humans are not the only creatures born of this Earth that engage in homosexual behaviors. Surely the Creator/Is/God didn't make them just to throw them away into the cornfield. Why should any of the creatures of the Earth be denied love and partnership?

Truth is.......... or at least my truth......... everyone deserves love. Love heals and love makes existance significant and meaninful. Some of humanity wants to own the union of marriage and define it in their own terms. I don't have that right. I don't think anyone has the right to dictate the terms of a union of love. If two creatures of Earth want to commit to each other, they should be able to without harassment or rancor from their peers.

It's pretty much that simple.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
Not one of you understood what I was saying.

So many here are all upset and unable to understand why we won't participate in same sex celebrations and call us haters for not baking you cakes. It isn't about hate, but your response to me is very hatefilled.



My response to you is pointing out that you can't possibly live as if "Not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law".

To say you observe the parts about gay folks yet don't wear tassels on the corner of your shirt, don't throw rocks at your misbehaving children until they die, or eat pork, etc... then you are cherry picking.

There's no way around it. "Not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law" is pretty clear. Since it's a ridiculously impossible statement to follow (obviously we aren't going to make rape victims marry their rapists, for example), why do you think you should just pick your favorites and roll with them?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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You talk about "Sins" yet only single out gay people who you want to refuse a service to.. in your example Cakes. that is why it's discrimination, because you would want to sell it to any other Sinner, just not the "Gays"



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: ahimsa

You talk about "Sins" yet only single out gay people who you want to refuse a service to.. in your example Cakes. that is why it's discrimination, because you would want to sell it to any other Sinner, just not the "Gays"


I would like to see how much business they'd lose if they really kept to the bible and refused to make cakes for 2nd or 3rd marriages.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:41 PM
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Your Christian hatred has been duly noted. Nothing I say will get you to be able to understand my OP. Carry on with your hatefest without me.

This is why I left ATS for years, way too much Christian, Jew, and Muslim bashing.

I get it, you hate anything to do with God and anyone who worships Him.

Mods, feel free to delete.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
Your Christian hatred has been duly noted. Nothing I say will get you to be able to understand my OP. Carry on with your hatefest without me.

This is why I left ATS for years, way too much Christian, Jew, and Muslim bashing.

I get it, you hate anything to do with God and anyone who worships Him.

Mods, feel free to delete.


Why can't you just address the contradiction without claiming persecution?

Nobody has called you names and I don't recall anybody even bashing your religion. The only thing I'm citing is the bible, not some liberal anti-Christian blog.

If you can't welcome scrutiny with an open heart and a Christ-like demeanor, then perhaps you should sharpen your faith and question the fine print yourself.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

I never said i hate you, i don't know you.. nothing hateful with what i said just having conversation



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
The laws are still in effect, all of them. God's law is above man's law and when man's law goes against God's law we are to disobey man's law.


Well...

They'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' 'long the street
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to keep your seat
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' on the floor
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the door
They'll stone ya when you're at the breakfast table
They'll stone ya when you are young and able
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to make a buck
They'll stone ya and then they'll say "good luck"
They'll stone you and say that it's the end
Then they'll stone you and then they'll come back again
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car
They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar
They'll stone you when you walk all alone
They'll stone you when you are walking home
They'll stone you and then say you are brave
They'll stone you when you are set down in your grave

You know I would not feel so all alone...
Everybody must get stoned!

On a more serious note.. God's laws (by and large) are abominable. A lot are downright silly. Such as dietary restrictions and beard maintenance. Do you eat shellfish or have clothing made of fixed fabrics, for example?

God's Morality

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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
Your Christian hatred ...

This is why I left ATS for years, way too much Christian, Jew, and Muslim bashing.

I get it, you hate anything to do with God and anyone who worships Him.

Mods, feel free to delete.


So, I was just wondering, Why DID you come back if you didn't like the place? Is it because you think that you have some divine motivation to attempt to spew your personal beliefs to others whom obviously disagree with you? Hmmmm, potentially this is a major reason that people here (and elsewhere) are so angry with people like you. We come here to learn things and not to be dictated to (by people like you) who ALWAYS think that they are the right ones and everyone else is just misled. If YOU and people like YOU would stop your incessant dictation of how we are all wrong and you are right, you might not find so much of what you call hate (I call frustration with another religious nutcase trying to preach while they themselves are faulty in many ways).

Leave your damn religious stuff where it belongs in strict accordance with what the 'books' you (fail to) follow dictate and all will be well. After all delusional people are not discovered until they share their delusion with others that are not.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
Not one of you understood what I was saying.

So many here are all upset and unable to understand why we won't participate in same sex celebrations and call us haters for not baking you cakes. It isn't about hate, but your response to me is very hatefilled.



I think you were understood quite well.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: ahimsa
Your Christian hatred has been duly noted. Nothing I say will get you to be able to understand my OP. Carry on with your hatefest without me.

This is why I left ATS for years, way too much Christian, Jew, and Muslim bashing.

I get it, you hate anything to do with God and anyone who worships Him.

Mods, feel free to delete.


I don't hear a soul 'hating' on you or 'bashing christianity' - just pointing out some inconsistancies and denials in your rhetoric.

Ahimsa - remember?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: ahimsa

You can be whatever religion you want. You can have whatever opinion you want. We all can. What our society's laws say is that you may not discriminate against a group in a place of public accommodation. What that means is, if there is a task/service that you don't want to perform for a certain group of people that you are willing to perform for every one else, then you are discriminating, which is against the law. There is a way to follow the law and also follow your own personal convictions. Get out of the public accommodation business that will put you in that situation and find another business that won't put you in that situation. It's up to you (and everyone else) to follow the laws, and to do what you have to do to follow those laws.



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