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Is the Confederate flag a Sigil being attacked on purpose?

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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:07 PM
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A sigil is a monogram, a symbol of profession, a family seal, a logo, or a sign that causes a shift in your mental and/or emotional state.

Just as a business uses emblems such as the Nike 'swoosh', or a family has a coat of arms, or the caduceus is the medical symbol, the flag that is now under attack is a symbol.

The common rhetoric that is being highlighted among groups and appeasement politicians is that the Confederate flag (Battle Flag) is a symbol of racial hatred. But, is it such a symbol among all southerners? Absolutely NOT.

Here is what many people see this sygil as:


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security


If you were a slave, then your ancestors will see the flag as a symbol of oppression. But that is not how everyone sees it. Others see it as an example of what the Declaration of Independence stood for. They see it as a sygil of strength and valor and pride and freedom to speak out.

But, go deeper. The Confederate flag represented the very philosophy of the Declaration of Independence. You may not agree with the reasons, but our southern brothers and sisters lived in a different time and in a different frame of mind. They were NOT Hitlers and Stalins regardless of how some want to depict them today. They were brave independent men who have a rightful place among historical men of valor.

So when we start ripping up the sigils, the monuments, the history, what are we really ripping up?




posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

How do you feel about the swastika?

Is it okay or would you judge?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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It could be. The McDonalds "M" is pretty much a sigil. All major corporations intentionally or unintentionally create sigils as their corporate logos.

Hell, most cave art are sigils by broad definition. Scrawl down your intent and BOOM it happens. Draw some successful hunt and then go out and do it.

I don't see any letters beyond an "X" that may give a hint as to what its intent was (if it was created as a sigil in the common, modern way).



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Right but as a modern society most view the confederate flag and the swastika as racial and evil at best.

The "M" for McDonald's is a corporate logo but few if any find it to be offensive.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

many people also see it as a symbol of racism and hate.
they have every right to feel that way.

the damn thing was designed by a racist guy.
the flag was flown by the klan
the flag was flown by citizens of the south who you know, wanted to succeed and keep their slaves.

THAT is what a lot of people see in that flag and they are not wrong for feeling that way


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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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There is an independent spirit in the South. Southerners have always felt it in their "DNA". The Battle Flag now commonly called the Confederate Flag is a sygil that invokes that spirit.

As the federal government encroaches more and more upon States' rights, as the Executive branch usurps more and more away from our elected representatives, as the globalists and UN push for more and more power over Americans, that symbol of independent fighting spirit becomes more representative of The People.

"They" can't have that, now, can they? They have to kill the sygil in order to diminish the spirit.
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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
There is an independent spirit in the South. Southerners have always felt it in their "DNA". The Battle Flag now commonly called the Confederate Flag is a sygil that invokes that spirit.

As the federal government encroaches more and more upon States' rights, as the Executive branch usurps more and more away from our elected representatives, as the globalists and UN push for more and more power over Americans, that symbol of independent fighting spirit becomes more representative of The People.

"They" can't have that, now, can they? They have to kill the sygil in order to diminish the spirit.


Bull#.

It's racist and you know it's racist!



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: queenofswords

many people also see it as a symbol of racism and hate.
they have every right to feel that way.

the damn thing was designed by a racist guy.
the flag was flown by the klan
the flag was flown by citizens of the south who you know, wanted to succeed and keep their slaves.

THAT is what a lot of people see in that flag and they are not wrong for feeling that way


I tend to agree with you. I actually see it as a symbol of holding on to the past in a regressive sort of way. Kind of like flipping the middle finger..."You yanks may have won the war, but you didn't break the spirit of the confederacy." type of thing.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: highfromphoenix

To some. Not all. But, the hyperbolic ranting and the appeasement politicians and the focus on those that use it to represent hate, make you all think that everybody that holds the sygil dear are racists. That is so far from the real truth.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

What he said


There are so many sigils all over the place should we conquer them one by one until it looks like the middle east?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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thats a load.
i grew up in the south and never once felt anything like that.
ive never owned anything with that flag on it and even as a kid, when i saw people with the big ass rebel flag shirt i thought they looked like a total tool.
still feel that way



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: queenofswords

thats a load.
i grew up in the south and never once felt anything like that.
ive never owned anything with that flag on it and even as a kid, when i saw people with the big ass rebel flag shirt i thought they looked like a total tool.
still feel that way


Then you didn't live all over the South. As I said, that flag has two meanings. When we kill it, we will be "metaphysically" effecting the spirit of both.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

This!



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
So when we start ripping up the sigils, the monuments, the history, what are we really ripping up?


Who's ripping these things up?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

either way you slice it, that flag dont need to be flown on gov buildings or in public parks.
if wal mart as a company decides to pull them off the shelf, they are entitled to that.

if billy ray wants to fly his flag outside his house, then he can do that all he wants.

i still dont see an issue with what is happening



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: queenofswords
So when we start ripping up the sigils, the monuments, the history, what are we really ripping up?


Who's ripping these things up?


....metaphorically speaking.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: highfromphoenix

To some. Not all. But, the hyperbolic ranting and the appeasement politicians and the focus on those that use it to represent hate, make you all think that everybody that holds the sygil dear are racists. That is so far from the real truth.



Okay since most perceive it as a racist symbol why not create a new symbol that represents your own feelings? Something more appropriate for the day in which we live.



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: highfromphoenix

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: highfromphoenix

To some. Not all. But, the hyperbolic ranting and the appeasement politicians and the focus on those that use it to represent hate, make you all think that everybody that holds the sygil dear are racists. That is so far from the real truth.



Okay since most perceive it as a racist symbol why not create a new symbol that represents your own feelings? Something more appropriate for the day in which we live.


That sounds like a good idea. But, can it have the power that the one from the secession had? I don't know. What would you suggest?



posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

If you were a slave, then your ancestors will see the flag as a symbol of oppression. But that is not how everyone sees it.


You literally just invalidated your entire thread with these sentences. The WHOLE point is because it is a representation of oppression from the past. Oppression that America is striving to put in the past. Just because a bunch of white people don't see it as oppressive (why would they anyways? THEIR ancestors weren't the ones oppressed) doesn't mean that it is an acceptable symbol to display.

Way to miss the forest for the trees...
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posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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And meanwhile the TPP fast track is getting rammed through congress...



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