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new research has suggested that nonphotosynthetic pigments can be biosignatures of life on other worlds.
Using computer simulations, University of Washington researchers found that if organisms with nonphotosynthetic pigments, those that process light for tasks other than energy production, cover enough of a distant planet’s surface, their spectral signal could be strong enough to be detected by powerful future telescopes now being designed. The knowledge could add a new perspective to the hunt for life beyond Earth.
Lead author Edward Schwieterman said that such organisms will produce reflectance, or brightness, signatures different than those of land vegetation like trees, adding that this could push researchers to broaden their conception of what surface biosignatures might look like on an exoplanet or world beyond our solar system.
Exoplanets are much too far away to observe in any detail; even near-future telescopes will deliver light from such distant targets condensed to a single pixel. So even a strong signal of nonphotosynthetic pigments would be seen at best only in the “disk average” or average planetary brightness in the electromagnetic spectrum, Schwieterman said.
This broader perspective might allow them to pick up on something they might have missed or offer an additional piece of evidence, in conjunction with a gaseous biosignature like oxygen, for example, that a planet is inhabited, Schwieterman said.
The study is published in May in the journal Astrobiology.
originally posted by: SirKonstantin
a reply to: JadeStar
This isn't completely NEW news, but thanks for Bringing up this Topic. Especially now. Really Helps take the mind off the Negatives.
Great Excavation!
Star!
originally posted by: admirethedistance
I'm going to have to do a bit more reading, but this sounds fantastic!
S&F
originally posted by: SirKonstantin
a reply to: JadeStar
I think this may coincide with the Pope and Scientist claiming that Extraterrestrial life Will be found in....i think they said something easy along the lines of 20yrs from now....like DUH!lol
originally posted by: trifecta
This points to an old metaphor, "what constitutes life". Just as many great author and artist have expressed, if a machine was given consciousness, and can self replicate, is it alive?
If so, chasing carbon seems eliptical. Is silicon based life such a stretch? As we know, various minerals can facilitate a charge, precursor to conscious. This warrants revision.
Two new papers based on data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft scrutinize the complex chemical activity on the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. While non-biological chemistry offers one possible explanation, some scientists believe these chemical signatures bolster the argument for a primitive, exotic form of life or precursor to life on Titan's surface. According to one theory put forth by astrobiologists, the signatures fulfill two important conditions necessary for a hypothesized "methane-based life."
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: JadeStar
A+ thread JS! I've held the contention that its the same with folks waiting for and expecting the "aliens" drop in or be disclosed contacts been made.
As in your op here, I believe we won't know it if we saw it...we just don't know what (yet) to even look for....either "out there" or standing right in front of us.
Thanks again JadeS....MS
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Nice topic, Jade.
As you point out, I understand that the search for ET life seems to be concentrating on "Life as we know it" is because we actually know how to detect "life as we know it", but really don't have definitive ways of testing for "Life as we DON'T know it".
We could possibly be looking directly at microbes that are "life as we DON'T know" and not even be able to recognize them as being life.
However, I think astrobiologists are working towards models of alternate types of life -- models by which they may be able to detect the biosignatures of those potential alternate types of life as we don't know it.
We know that by finding excesses of free oxygen in an atmosphere, that would be a major indcation of life as we know it, but scientists are starting to understand how other "imbalances" or "disequilibriums" of atmospheric gases could also indicate the presence of life that is not like Earth life.
Here is an example of research being done by NASA astrobiologist Chris McCay trying to determine if certain chemical disequilibrium on Saturn's moon Titan indicates the possibility of methane-based life there. It should be pointed out that natural (non-life) processes may also be responsible for these disequiliriums on Titan, but the idea of looking fo life in this manner is intriguing.
What is Consuming Hydrogen and Acetylene on Titan?
Excerpt:
Two new papers based on data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft scrutinize the complex chemical activity on the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. While non-biological chemistry offers one possible explanation, some scientists believe these chemical signatures bolster the argument for a primitive, exotic form of life or precursor to life on Titan's surface. According to one theory put forth by astrobiologists, the signatures fulfill two important conditions necessary for a hypothesized "methane-based life."
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: trifecta
This points to an old metaphor, "what constitutes life". Just as many great author and artist have expressed, if a machine was given consciousness, and can self replicate, is it alive?
I'd answer, "maybe".
If the machine simply made 100% identical copies of itself I'd say no because that's how crystals grow and they're not alive. However if such a computer through some sort of "breeding" algorithm could take in other information to make different, perhaps even better copies of itself which were able to do the same for generations then it would be very hard to argue that machine was not alive.
I mean, it would pass the Turing test, be self aware and concerned with it's offspring to the point where it try to produce a better version of itself, on it's own.
If you talk to the SETI crowd most of them feel that our first detection of intelligent life is more likely to be with just such machines or some combination of that machine with advanced biology, rather than fully biological, none augmented beings like us.
If so, chasing carbon seems eliptical. Is silicon based life such a stretch? As we know, various minerals can facilitate a charge, precursor to conscious. This warrants revision.
It's two different questions really.
Could silicon based life form under the right conditions? Answer: maybe. complex silicate based chemistry is possible but it is unknown whether it could ever become alive.
the next question is, if such silicon based life existed would it be the most common life out there? To that i'd probably lean towards a 'no' simply based on the differences between organic chemistry and silicate based molecules.
The reason being that while both carbon and silicon are common elements in the universe, complex chemical bonds which lead to things like RNA and DNA form rather easy compared to anything which might produce a silicon based "biochemistry".
So since nature favors what is easy, available and plentiful I'd tend to think that nature probably favors carbon based life. It would take silicon based life longer to form since carbon atoms like to "hook up" and are rather promiscuous compared to silicon atoms.
So carbon based life would get a head start on silicon based life if the latter is even possible.
originally posted by: Sunwolf
What sort of atmosphere would silicon based life develop in?
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
On the other hand...www.sciencedaily.com...
I think I read an article that said metallicity isn't as important as once thought in reference to this sort of thing. I don't remember the details exactly. been too long.
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
On the other hand...www.sciencedaily.com...
One thing that article isn't telling me is the metallicity of these 11 billion year old solar systems. So when they say "Earth-like", I wonder what the metallicity is and elemental compositions are similar to Earth.
An 11 billion year old star is most likely to be a population II star, which is metal-poor. Our sun is a population iii star, which are relatively young, and have an abundance of metals and other heavy elements.