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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
This is kinda ironic,
the Democrat Party owns the Confederate flag. The Confederacy was Democrats. The ancestors, the heirs of the Confederacy were Democrats. The governors, the police chiefs, the segregationists were all Democrats. The Confederacy was Democrats, it was the Democrat Party.
Abraham Lincoln was the father of the Republican Party. It was the party of the North. Fritz Hollings, a Democrat governor, hoisted the Confederate flag in South Carolina. Everything to do with the Confederacy the Democrat Party owns lock, stock, and barrel. They gave it to us. Bill Clinton signed all kinds of proclamations. Hillary Clinton did proudly appear with caricatures and replicas of the Confederate flag, and people are finding these and they're posting them all over Twitter. It isn't gonna matter because nobody in the media where the low-information people go that confers authority is gonna give the Clintons any grief over it. Because it's not the target, it's not the reason.
originally posted by: RickinVa
Good grief people.... the flag has not been banned. I can go buy one right now if I so see fit.
The title of this thread is mis-leading at best and nothing more than baiting people in argument about something that hasn't happened.
Several stores have decided to no longer sell confederate flags.... that is their choice, same as you have the choice not to shop at those stores if you do not agree with their decision.
Quit saying the flag has been banned/is going to be banned. It hasn't and isn't. A store deciding to ban an item only affects that item in that particular store. Simply go to a different store and buy one. If the flag was truly banned by the government, then owning it could be a crime. It will never be banned by the federal government.
I have banned people from flying the Nazi flag on my property. Only affects people who come on my property. You can go to your house and fly the Nazi flag all day if that is what floats your boat.
originally posted by: the angel of light
a reply to: seagull
Well Dear Seagul,
Probably you feel this is absurd because the publicity has washed the brain of a lot of generations of consumers to think that the so old symbol of the rebellion, that in fact can be seen as an act of treason against the country, is really inoffensive and even children can play with it.
Possibly the question here is if the civil war really ended in 1864 or Not? were still alive the 'ideals' of the deffenders of the slavery after it? As a matter of fact it took practically until the XX century for the African Americans to obtain the right to vote, something that is absolutely embarrassing for a nation that feels that it is source from which liberty radiates to the rest of the world.
All the Latin American countries gave full civil rights and the right to vote to their own African descendants by the second half of the XIX century, even Russia abolished the serfs at that time given full citizenship to all their fellow country people.
After all when President Abraham LIncoln, a Republican, was assassinated it was a Democratic and southern who succeeded him. Andrew Johnson was Democratic all his life, and he was born in North Carolina, so perhaps his arrival to power was not the consequence of a crazy action by a lonely assassin, but the result of a Confederate plot to take revenge of the President that defeated them, and in some way fool his legacy.
Now, talking about southern political plots, that can be seen also a veiled coup d'etats, there is a strange coincidence with John F Kennedy , another President extremely concerned with civil rights who was assassinated in a really hostile Southern state , very against his policies and was succeeded by a person of that state , Lyndon Johnson, that became in 1865 the first truly southern to be elected President after the civil war.
John Connally, who was the governor of Texas at the time of the Assassination and so principal responsible of the security of the President in Dallas even changed of political Party in the late of 1960s, saying he was in disagreement with the so liberal ideas that were controlling the Democratic platform. He moved from Conservative Democratic to be Republican and was even Secretary of Treasury of President Richard Nixon, the archrival of Kennedy, and was considered among the most possible successors of him, after the resignation of VicePresident Spiro Agnew in 1973, before the congress approved Gerald Ford for such position.
Eisenhower of course does not count as southern or Texan since he was born from Northern parents , he just was born in the border in between Texas and Oklahoma and moved away back to Kansas and to Pennsylvania for the rest of his childhood after he became 3 years old.
Possibly the real reason for which the Confederate flag is still in use among many people in the south is not only naïve nostalgia after all, but precisely due to the fact that the Confederation only disappeared in papers, but in the background , or perhaps is better to say in the underground its spirit continue very alive at least one more century, in organizations like the Ku Klux Klan.
Thanks for your comment,
The Angel of Lightness
originally posted by: the angel of light
a reply to: queenofswords
Excuse me, but there is something I cant grasp from your reply, what tyranny are we talking about here? an immoral sense of liberty to have slaved workers? , a perverted kind of freedom to be able to continue owning and so oppressing the people as slaves?
There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OpenMindedRealist
Well they listened to the people defending the KKK rallies, so it isn't much different. Don't worry, once everyone's emotions die down this issue will go away again, like it always does.
originally posted by: korath
The next time a black man kills a white man, I want all the MLK street signs taken down. That way there;s no rallying point for blacks against whites.