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First school in nation to offer LGBT Studies Course --- why?

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posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid
My post stands as it is. You want diversity in one direction and not another. THAT isn't diversity. See?


originally posted by: NavyDoc
Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


I see what your saying though. Teach the SF kids about conservative values. Conservatives are perfectly OK to NOT teach their kids about diversity. I'm not impressed with selfishness.


See, I can make the same argument--you only want diversity taught one way and that isn't diversity. At least conservative are honest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught. Liberals are dishonest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught while at the same time talking about diversity.

Liberals hate true diversity and refuse to teach it.


Really? Have you checked their website? The courses are quite extensive. Including:


AMERICAN DEMOCRACY - 12th Grade • Homework: 0-30 minutes nightly. Grading: 25% individual presentations/essays, 25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total), 50 extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES: Students must have satisfactorily completed World History.

The characteristics and development of the government of the United States is the focus of the course: Democracy in the United States as envisioned by the Constitution, and the origins and context from which U.S. modern democracy arose. The class explores how state and local governments are organized looking closely at the events which have forced amendments to the Constitution.


www.sfsota.org...


And none of those indicate teaching something that is not set in their regional socio-political paradigm. You honestly believe that an arts school in San Francisco teaches free market capitalism? Honestly?




posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: NavyDoc

If all the kids are Americans, why do we need to teach American History?


Apples and kumquats. If they are human, why bother teach chemistry?

The point being. If they as a body already accept GLBT, saying that the class is about "diversity" and "tolerance" is disingenuous. Just be honest and say that they teach it because they like to be supportive in their own little echo chamber.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

No, it's about learning where you come from, those that came before you. The trailblazers and how they dealt with adversity. How things came to be the way they are now. Same thing with American History.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid
My post stands as it is. You want diversity in one direction and not another. THAT isn't diversity. See?


originally posted by: NavyDoc
Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


I see what your saying though. Teach the SF kids about conservative values. Conservatives are perfectly OK to NOT teach their kids about diversity. I'm not impressed with selfishness.


See, I can make the same argument--you only want diversity taught one way and that isn't diversity. At least conservative are honest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught. Liberals are dishonest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught while at the same time talking about diversity.

Liberals hate true diversity and refuse to teach it.


Really? Have you checked their website? The courses are quite extensive. Including:


AMERICAN DEMOCRACY - 12th Grade • Homework: 0-30 minutes nightly. Grading: 25% individual presentations/essays, 25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total), 50 extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES: Students must have satisfactorily completed World History.

The characteristics and development of the government of the United States is the focus of the course: Democracy in the United States as envisioned by the Constitution, and the origins and context from which U.S. modern democracy arose. The class explores how state and local governments are organized looking closely at the events which have forced amendments to the Constitution.


www.sfsota.org...


And none of those indicate teaching something that is not set in their regional socio-political paradigm. You honestly believe that an arts school in San Francisco teaches free market capitalism? Honestly?


Depends on your definition of "free market"(anticipating your next inane argument):


ECONOMICS - 12th Grade • Homework: Grading: 25-40% individual presentations/essays, 10-25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total). Extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES:

A semester long course introducing the principles of Economics, this class examines common terms and concepts, as well as economic reasoning. Students analyze the influence of the United States federal government on the domestic economy and explore the role of the United States’ market economy in a global setting, and the economic forces driving international trade. The class also analyzes the aggregate economic behavior of the US economy, and where we as individuals fit in this economic system.


And:


AP US GOVERNMENT & POLITICS / ECON - 12th Grade - Very Difficult • Homework: 60-90 minutes nightly. Grading: 60% in-class work and participation, 10% homework, 30% projects, test, and quizzes.

PREREQUISITES: An interest in current events, government, economic systems. World History and United States History. AP or Honors US is highly recommended in order to gauge handling of workload.

This course is an in-depth study of the uniqueness of the United States’ government. Students will analyze principles, structures and policies, and how they influence each other through reading primary and secondary source documents. The course involves study of the three branches of Government, The Constitution, Civil Liberties and Civil Rights, the day-to-day functions of government and the use and effects of politics.

Economics concepts are also interwoven throughout the course: Supply and Demand, Advertising, basic Economic concepts such as incentives, tradeoffs, and personal finance, and Macro Economic concepts such as gender relations, racism, poverty and labor history.


www.sfsota.org...

But let's be honest here. If that course wasn't being offered ANYONE here would love to get their kids into such a good school. This is all about homophobia. Well at least homohatia.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14


We need diversity of studies.






We need to return to classical liberal arts education, and leave all this crap OUT of schools.


These agendized liberals are ruining the minds of children.


You know when you throw a word around "liberally" it can make things difficult to understand. Are you saying that we need to go liberal to get away from the liberals?


Yes, apparently if we return to a classical liberal arts education, we will outsmart the liberals.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid
My post stands as it is. You want diversity in one direction and not another. THAT isn't diversity. See?


originally posted by: NavyDoc
Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


I see what your saying though. Teach the SF kids about conservative values. Conservatives are perfectly OK to NOT teach their kids about diversity. I'm not impressed with selfishness.


See, I can make the same argument--you only want diversity taught one way and that isn't diversity. At least conservative are honest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught. Liberals are dishonest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught while at the same time talking about diversity.

Liberals hate true diversity and refuse to teach it.


Really? Have you checked their website? The courses are quite extensive. Including:


AMERICAN DEMOCRACY - 12th Grade • Homework: 0-30 minutes nightly. Grading: 25% individual presentations/essays, 25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total), 50 extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES: Students must have satisfactorily completed World History.

The characteristics and development of the government of the United States is the focus of the course: Democracy in the United States as envisioned by the Constitution, and the origins and context from which U.S. modern democracy arose. The class explores how state and local governments are organized looking closely at the events which have forced amendments to the Constitution.


www.sfsota.org...


And none of those indicate teaching something that is not set in their regional socio-political paradigm. You honestly believe that an arts school in San Francisco teaches free market capitalism? Honestly?


Depends on your definition of "free market"(anticipating your next inane argument):


ECONOMICS - 12th Grade • Homework: Grading: 25-40% individual presentations/essays, 10-25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total). Extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES:

A semester long course introducing the principles of Economics, this class examines common terms and concepts, as well as economic reasoning. Students analyze the influence of the United States federal government on the domestic economy and explore the role of the United States’ market economy in a global setting, and the economic forces driving international trade. The class also analyzes the aggregate economic behavior of the US economy, and where we as individuals fit in this economic system.


And:


AP US GOVERNMENT & POLITICS / ECON - 12th Grade - Very Difficult • Homework: 60-90 minutes nightly. Grading: 60% in-class work and participation, 10% homework, 30% projects, test, and quizzes.

PREREQUISITES: An interest in current events, government, economic systems. World History and United States History. AP or Honors US is highly recommended in order to gauge handling of workload.

This course is an in-depth study of the uniqueness of the United States’ government. Students will analyze principles, structures and policies, and how they influence each other through reading primary and secondary source documents. The course involves study of the three branches of Government, The Constitution, Civil Liberties and Civil Rights, the day-to-day functions of government and the use and effects of politics.

Economics concepts are also interwoven throughout the course: Supply and Demand, Advertising, basic Economic concepts such as incentives, tradeoffs, and personal finance, and Macro Economic concepts such as gender relations, racism, poverty and labor history.


www.sfsota.org...

But let's be honest here. If that course wasn't being offered ANYONE here would love to get their kids into such a good school. This is all about homophobia. Well at least homohatia.


But none of those actually say WHAT is taught nor HOW it's taught. It's just overall subjects

It's rather ignorant to call it homophobia--generalize much? Like I said--those who bitch about tolerance the most tend to be the least tolerant.

And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.
edit on 23-6-2015 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14


We need diversity of studies.






We need to return to classical liberal arts education, and leave all this crap OUT of schools.


These agendized liberals are ruining the minds of children.


Did you realize that a "classical liberal arts education" is exactly that? It means art, music, literature, philosophy, science, etc. So it's less focused on uber practical and uber professional subjects, such as accounting or even core subject such as math and reading.

So as far as the modern equivalent, LBGT, social justice, sociology, etc ad infinitum, all fit into a more broad-based education, not one solely to create robots for factories.

This is why before the 20th century, probably only the elite kids got a classical liberal education.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid
My post stands as it is. You want diversity in one direction and not another. THAT isn't diversity. See?


originally posted by: NavyDoc
Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


I see what your saying though. Teach the SF kids about conservative values. Conservatives are perfectly OK to NOT teach their kids about diversity. I'm not impressed with selfishness.


See, I can make the same argument--you only want diversity taught one way and that isn't diversity. At least conservative are honest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught. Liberals are dishonest--they don't want stuff they don't like taught while at the same time talking about diversity.

Liberals hate true diversity and refuse to teach it.


Really? Have you checked their website? The courses are quite extensive. Including:


AMERICAN DEMOCRACY - 12th Grade • Homework: 0-30 minutes nightly. Grading: 25% individual presentations/essays, 25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total), 50 extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES: Students must have satisfactorily completed World History.

The characteristics and development of the government of the United States is the focus of the course: Democracy in the United States as envisioned by the Constitution, and the origins and context from which U.S. modern democracy arose. The class explores how state and local governments are organized looking closely at the events which have forced amendments to the Constitution.


www.sfsota.org...


And none of those indicate teaching something that is not set in their regional socio-political paradigm. You honestly believe that an arts school in San Francisco teaches free market capitalism? Honestly?


Depends on your definition of "free market"(anticipating your next inane argument):


ECONOMICS - 12th Grade • Homework: Grading: 25-40% individual presentations/essays, 10-25% journal/daily entries/short answer items, 50% formal assessments once every three weeks (2 total). Extra points may be earned by presenting a pre-arranged topic to the rest of the class.

PREREQUISITES:

A semester long course introducing the principles of Economics, this class examines common terms and concepts, as well as economic reasoning. Students analyze the influence of the United States federal government on the domestic economy and explore the role of the United States’ market economy in a global setting, and the economic forces driving international trade. The class also analyzes the aggregate economic behavior of the US economy, and where we as individuals fit in this economic system.


And:


AP US GOVERNMENT & POLITICS / ECON - 12th Grade - Very Difficult • Homework: 60-90 minutes nightly. Grading: 60% in-class work and participation, 10% homework, 30% projects, test, and quizzes.

PREREQUISITES: An interest in current events, government, economic systems. World History and United States History. AP or Honors US is highly recommended in order to gauge handling of workload.

This course is an in-depth study of the uniqueness of the United States’ government. Students will analyze principles, structures and policies, and how they influence each other through reading primary and secondary source documents. The course involves study of the three branches of Government, The Constitution, Civil Liberties and Civil Rights, the day-to-day functions of government and the use and effects of politics.

Economics concepts are also interwoven throughout the course: Supply and Demand, Advertising, basic Economic concepts such as incentives, tradeoffs, and personal finance, and Macro Economic concepts such as gender relations, racism, poverty and labor history.


www.sfsota.org...

But let's be honest here. If that course wasn't being offered ANYONE here would love to get their kids into such a good school. This is all about homophobia. Well at least homohatia.


But none of those actually say WHAT is taught nor HOW it's taught. It's just overall subjects

It's rather ignorant to call it homophobia--generalize much? Like I said--those who bitch about tolerance the most tend to be the least tolerant.

And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. GLBT education in a GLBT positive school is not about "broad based education"--its being in an echo chamber. Show me some true diversity and then you can make that argument.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If it was really about educating about different it would not be about a group that is already accepted. It'd be about gun ownership or Reaganomics--that would really be educating the students about people different than them.


Yeah and we can see how open THOSE people are towards Gay issues. "I'll take my kids out and home school them...." So it's a one way street. It doesn't work that way. Besides, why do we teach history? If we're white, say, that means we already know what we have experienced in the past? No, thus it's taught.


So if other people refuse to teach "diversity" that is an excuse to not teach "diversity" all the whole time crowing about diversity? That does not make a lot of sense.

The excuses sound like Bill Clinton's "I tried Marijuana but I didn't inhale." False. Dishonest. And, frankly, unbelievable.

I'd much more respect an honest answer of "so they support GLBT, deal with it" than this disingenuous nonsense about "diversity" and "tolerance."

If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "diversity" gay is already a thing there.
If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "tolerance" it is already tolerated.

Honestly it's about supporting something they already agree on and it's an echo chamber for their views and they don't want any dissention.

Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


And you know what, at 99% of the schools in this country, gays are WAY more persecuted, bullied, ostracized, than the other way around. Sorry, any other view is totally out there.

At any other school, especially outside of liberal areas, even the gays usually keep under the radar, including NOT going to prom with a guy or kissing a guy or god forbid, doing so in a yearbook picture.

And again, at a vast majority of the high schools across the country, both the studies AND culture are very hetero-normative, not the other way around. So why does it bother you that a school has it flipped around a bit (which I even doubt that. It's probably equalized now). Given everything I said is true about the majority of schools being "straight-privileged," what is it within you that is so bothered by a single class at some random high school that isn't?
edit on 23-6-2015 by Quetzalcoatl14 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

The thing is, we don't have to.. we can be as open and as free as we want... we are people too



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Maybe your water has too much ignorance in it, because you are full of it...

nothing you said is even Rational, what they are doing to kids? are you implying people turning Kids Gay? seriously, put aside your bigotry for 1 minutes and think about what you said, it's ignorant



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.


"Don't care."

Exactly.

You definition of "diversity" includes only those things you agree with and no more. Thus, by it's definition, you don't really believe in diversity. That's fine. Most people have their prejudices. Just be honest about it.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If it was really about educating about different it would not be about a group that is already accepted. It'd be about gun ownership or Reaganomics--that would really be educating the students about people different than them.


Yeah and we can see how open THOSE people are towards Gay issues. "I'll take my kids out and home school them...." So it's a one way street. It doesn't work that way. Besides, why do we teach history? If we're white, say, that means we already know what we have experienced in the past? No, thus it's taught.


So if other people refuse to teach "diversity" that is an excuse to not teach "diversity" all the whole time crowing about diversity? That does not make a lot of sense.

The excuses sound like Bill Clinton's "I tried Marijuana but I didn't inhale." False. Dishonest. And, frankly, unbelievable.

I'd much more respect an honest answer of "so they support GLBT, deal with it" than this disingenuous nonsense about "diversity" and "tolerance."

If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "diversity" gay is already a thing there.
If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "tolerance" it is already tolerated.

Honestly it's about supporting something they already agree on and it's an echo chamber for their views and they don't want any dissention.

Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


And you know what, at 99% of the schools in this country, gays are WAY more persecuted, bullied, ostracized, than the other way around. Sorry, any other view is totally out there.

At any other school, especially outside of liberal areas, even the gays usually keep under the radar, including NOT going to prom with a guy or kissing a guy or god forbid, doing so in a yearbook picture.

And again, at a vast majority of the high schools across the country, both the studies AND culture are very hetero-normative, not the other way around. So why does it bother you that a school has it flipped around a bit (which I even doubt that. It's probably equalized now). Given everything I said is true about the majority of schools being "straight-privileged," what is it within you that is so bothered by a single class at some random high school that isn't?


So lack of diversity and prejudice at other schools justify it in this school. Got it. That's fine. Just be honest about it not really being about "diversity" and "tolerance."



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.


"Don't care."

Exactly.

You definition of "diversity" includes only those things you agree with and no more. Thus, by it's definition, you don't really believe in diversity. That's fine. Most people have their prejudices. Just be honest about it.


I guess you don't understand "don't care". If my kids wanted to study religion, fill your boots. Only way to cut through BS is to experience it. I'm totally honest. It's your perceptions that are off. It's cool. You're not used to someone that thinks for themselves on any given issue.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.


"Don't care."

Exactly.

You definition of "diversity" includes only those things you agree with and no more. Thus, by it's definition, you don't really believe in diversity. That's fine. Most people have their prejudices. Just be honest about it.


I guess you don't understand "don't care". If my kids wanted to study religion, fill your boots. Only way to cut through BS is to experience it. I'm totally honest. It's your perceptions that are off. It's cool. You're not used to someone that thinks for themselves on any given issue.


If I misunderstood, I'm sorry but you missed the greater point, focusing only on the religious aspect of the hypothetical. There are bound to be things, be they religious or conservative or pro gun that you would not want in school, yes?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.


"Don't care."

Exactly.

You definition of "diversity" includes only those things you agree with and no more. Thus, by it's definition, you don't really believe in diversity. That's fine. Most people have their prejudices. Just be honest about it.


I guess you don't understand "don't care". If my kids wanted to study religion, fill your boots. Only way to cut through BS is to experience it. I'm totally honest. It's your perceptions that are off. It's cool. You're not used to someone that thinks for themselves on any given issue.


If I misunderstood, I'm sorry but you missed the greater point, focusing only on the religious aspect of the hypothetical. There are bound to be things, be they religious or conservative or pro gun that you would not want in school, yes?


Do I look like a fish?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If it was really about educating about different it would not be about a group that is already accepted. It'd be about gun ownership or Reaganomics--that would really be educating the students about people different than them.


Yeah and we can see how open THOSE people are towards Gay issues. "I'll take my kids out and home school them...." So it's a one way street. It doesn't work that way. Besides, why do we teach history? If we're white, say, that means we already know what we have experienced in the past? No, thus it's taught.


So if other people refuse to teach "diversity" that is an excuse to not teach "diversity" all the whole time crowing about diversity? That does not make a lot of sense.

The excuses sound like Bill Clinton's "I tried Marijuana but I didn't inhale." False. Dishonest. And, frankly, unbelievable.

I'd much more respect an honest answer of "so they support GLBT, deal with it" than this disingenuous nonsense about "diversity" and "tolerance."

If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "diversity" gay is already a thing there.
If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "tolerance" it is already tolerated.

Honestly it's about supporting something they already agree on and it's an echo chamber for their views and they don't want any dissention.

Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


And you know what, at 99% of the schools in this country, gays are WAY more persecuted, bullied, ostracized, than the other way around. Sorry, any other view is totally out there.

At any other school, especially outside of liberal areas, even the gays usually keep under the radar, including NOT going to prom with a guy or kissing a guy or god forbid, doing so in a yearbook picture.

And again, at a vast majority of the high schools across the country, both the studies AND culture are very hetero-normative, not the other way around. So why does it bother you that a school has it flipped around a bit (which I even doubt that. It's probably equalized now). Given everything I said is true about the majority of schools being "straight-privileged," what is it within you that is so bothered by a single class at some random high school that isn't?


So lack of diversity and prejudice at other schools justify it in this school. Got it. That's fine. Just be honest about it not really being about "diversity" and "tolerance."


But how do you know? From my experience of 25 years living in CA, California has ALWAYS been at the forefront of diversity education and diversity itself. CA and NY are the most diverse states in the union!

They teach a wide range of subjects, and I bet given the high-end nature of the school, it's a class-A education all around. Why do you assume it is some kind of dearth of information about various diverse things.

In my experience, liberal schools teach WAY more about a range of topics and cultures across the world. A conservative group will only want to teach about their culture and religion, whereas a progressive one will have kids studying history and religions from all over the world. These are just a few examples.

And if you are honest with yourself, you KNOW this is true about hyper conservatives.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And let's be honest--if it were some other subject, say intelligent design, you'd be at the forefront about criticizing the heck out of it.


Nope. Don't care. I think theists and atheists arguing about an unknowable is pointless and laughable.


"Don't care."

Exactly.

You definition of "diversity" includes only those things you agree with and no more. Thus, by it's definition, you don't really believe in diversity. That's fine. Most people have their prejudices. Just be honest about it.


The difference is that a liberal such as myself has absolutely no problem having religion taught in a RELIGIOUS class, or a philosophy class, or a history of the world class. Contrary to your perceptions, most quality social studies curriculums DO teach some of these things as history or cultural studies.

The Religious Right, however, wants religion injected into human origins and science classrooms. And not just any religion, they want Christian beliefs forced in. Not Hindu. Not Muslim. Not Buddhist.

Are these LGBT teachers trying to force this into the science class there? No. Are they trying to force it into a religion class? Not that we know of.

Do you see the difference?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If it was really about educating about different it would not be about a group that is already accepted. It'd be about gun ownership or Reaganomics--that would really be educating the students about people different than them.


Yeah and we can see how open THOSE people are towards Gay issues. "I'll take my kids out and home school them...." So it's a one way street. It doesn't work that way. Besides, why do we teach history? If we're white, say, that means we already know what we have experienced in the past? No, thus it's taught.


So if other people refuse to teach "diversity" that is an excuse to not teach "diversity" all the whole time crowing about diversity? That does not make a lot of sense.

The excuses sound like Bill Clinton's "I tried Marijuana but I didn't inhale." False. Dishonest. And, frankly, unbelievable.

I'd much more respect an honest answer of "so they support GLBT, deal with it" than this disingenuous nonsense about "diversity" and "tolerance."

If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "diversity" gay is already a thing there.
If a largely gay supportive school has a class on being gay, it's not about "tolerance" it is already tolerated.

Honestly it's about supporting something they already agree on and it's an echo chamber for their views and they don't want any dissention.

Honestly--which yearbook photo is more likely to be published at that school: a guy kissing his boyfriend at prom or a guy wearing an NRA hat?


And you know what, at 99% of the schools in this country, gays are WAY more persecuted, bullied, ostracized, than the other way around. Sorry, any other view is totally out there.

At any other school, especially outside of liberal areas, even the gays usually keep under the radar, including NOT going to prom with a guy or kissing a guy or god forbid, doing so in a yearbook picture.

And again, at a vast majority of the high schools across the country, both the studies AND culture are very hetero-normative, not the other way around. So why does it bother you that a school has it flipped around a bit (which I even doubt that. It's probably equalized now). Given everything I said is true about the majority of schools being "straight-privileged," what is it within you that is so bothered by a single class at some random high school that isn't?


So lack of diversity and prejudice at other schools justify it in this school. Got it. That's fine. Just be honest about it not really being about "diversity" and "tolerance."


But how do you know? From my experience of 25 years living in CA, California has ALWAYS been at the forefront of diversity education and diversity itself. CA and NY are the most diverse states in the union!

They teach a wide range of subjects, and I bet given the high-end nature of the school, it's a class-A education all around. Why do you assume it is some kind of dearth of information about various diverse things.

In my experience, liberal schools teach WAY more about a range of topics and cultures across the world. A conservative group will only want to teach about their culture and religion, whereas a progressive one will have kids studying history and religions from all over the world. These are just a few examples.

And if you are honest with yourself, you KNOW this is true about hyper conservatives.


Because liberal "diversity" is just as or even more narrow minded than so called "hyper conservatives." Heck we can see it in your own language and the labels you use. Those who scream about tolerance the most, tend to be the least tolerant just like those who complain about gays the most tend to have a bit of gay in them.




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