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British police calling for knife ban

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posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
/rant start


Heres the kicker


THE UK IS NOT THE USA AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS RELATING TO DIFFERENT THINGS



.....and thats where the debate should be ending on this, because frankly, its a pointless exercise in territorial pissing.

If people can't understand that, or feel that they have to espouse some kind of moral/ethical BS about it then thats a question of their own ignorance.

/end rant



I don't imagine that will do it either but an interesting attempt.





posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
/rant start


Heres the kicker


THE UK IS NOT THE USA AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS RELATING TO DIFFERENT THINGS



.....and thats where the debate should be ending on this, because frankly, its a pointless exercise in territorial pissing.

If people can't understand that, or feel that they have to espouse some kind of moral/ethical BS about it then thats a question of their own ignorance.

/end rant



As long as you pull that out when UK members start criticizing US gun owners and calling us cowards and other epithets, I'm cool with it.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

You can have all the guns and kill all the people you want.

But in the USA.

Thanks



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.


It's totally different culture, you wouldn't understand. Don't be prejudiced against my culture.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: NavyDoc

You can have all the guns and kill all the people you want.

But in the USA.

Thanks


That's funny--none of the guns in my collection has killed a single person. I must be doing it wrong.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

I must admit the only time I was mugged with an actual handgun the chap was very polite said please and thank you and everything....only wanted a pack of smokes as well.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.

People get shot in the UK.
You asked, I gave you my answer.
I get it that Brits don't prefer freedom over security.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

You just don't fit in.
We are all supposed to be mass murderers toting automatic weapons.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

This might "seem crazy to you", but the UK/England had rights long before your nation even existed. We have, as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights 1689 (the one you based your own on), the right to bear arms as allowed by the Law and status.


OK who cares... can you carry a gun in the UK? You have a right to bare arms that is allowed by law and your law says you can not bare arms...Our Constitution is the highest law in American and it say we can and sets it as a right to do so.

What point are you debating here since you do not have the right to bare arms...lol All I'm saying is it is hard to change the highest law in the land that has given a right to the people...
edit on 27-6-2015 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.


It's totally different culture, you wouldn't understand. Don't be prejudiced against my culture.


How is that predujuced to your culture?

I understand the need to be armed in order to protect yourself when you live in a country that gives the right to bear arms.

In a country where that right is not given the need to is on the whole removed is it not?



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Obvious troll is obvious.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.


It's totally different culture, you wouldn't understand. Don't be prejudiced against my culture.


Pot meet kettle.

I imagine most posters including myself have spent some time in the States plus your culture is constantly on our news, tv, radio, leisure, politics so we have a pretty detailed experience of it. It's more down to having a codified constitution creates static state.

If I was still in the States I'd own a gun as they're sadly required for safety, in the UK there's no reason to carry one around as the chances of coming within 50 miles of someone carrying a gun are pretty much nil - different scenarios and situations require different responses and actions.
edit on 27-6-2015 by bastion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.


Freedom to what exactly?

Can you give me a good reason to carry a handgun in the UK?

To protect yourself from knife wielding criminals.


But your freedom to carry a gun would be there freedom as well so they would have a gun to shoot you with before you pulled yours out?

I personally prefer the freedom to walk down the street knowing the statisical probability of bieng shot is pretty much zero.

People get shot in the UK.
You asked, I gave you my answer.
I get it that Brits don't prefer freedom over security.



Yes people get shot in the UK sometimes by accident, sometimes by criminals. I was nearly shot myself once.

I understand your want and right to bear arms, would it not be reasonable to understand my witsh not to?



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: NavyDoc

Obvious troll is obvious.

Oops, I forgot that on the previous post....

We Americans are all automatic weapons toting, mass murdering trolls.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: NavyDoc

Obvious troll is obvious.

Oops, I forgot that on the previous post....

We Americans are all automatic weapons toting, mass murdering trolls.


I think it's a little unfair to say that all Americans are gun toting trolls.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific


I understand your want and right to bear arms, would it not be reasonable to understand my witsh not to?


I did address that, re: freedom vs security.
I respect that.

But this thread is about knives.
I cut things with knives. Things like those plastic blister packs that are next to impossible to open using teeth and fingers. I skin deer, filet fish and cut my steaks using knives. Some entrapped motorists in burning cars owe their lives to a knife that cut a seat belt.

I have never cut anyone else with a knife.



posted on Jun, 27 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: nonspecific


I understand your want and right to bear arms, would it not be reasonable to understand my witsh not to?


I did address that, re: freedom vs security.
I respect that.

But this thread is about knives.
I cut things with knives. Things like those plastic blister packs that are next to impossible to open using teeth and fingers. I skin deer, filet fish and cut my steaks using knives. Some entrapped motorists in burning cars owe their lives to a knife that cut a seat belt.

I have never cut anyone else with a knife.


I have noever suggested that you have done.

As as been said many times now none of these things are illigal in the UK.

If you pulled out a big knife in a shop to open a blister pack then that would be deemed innaprropriate and could get you in trouble, Most of us like it that way to be honest.

The best way to open them is actually with a tin opener.




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