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2005 Freedom Survey: Islamic Rhetoric vs. Reality

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posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 03:50 PM
Freedom House has released their Freedom In The World 2005 survey, much to the dismay of Islamofascist propagandists.

The obvious facts that Muslim terrorist apologists will harp on a million times:

Iraq (US-backed administration) - Not Free. Scores of 7 for Political Rights and 5 for Civil Liberties are comparable to North Korea and Kazakhstan (the higher the score, the worse the situation). This despite the best efforts of Sharia-loving insurgents, subjects of much sympathy from many on the ATS message boards who look forward to the day when the Iraqi people will once again have the freedom they enjoyed under Saddam Hussein.

Israel (Israeli-Occupied Territories) - Not Free. Political Rights score of 6; Civil Liberties score of 6. If only Hamas and Islamic Jihad were in power, surely there would be paradise on Earth.

But here are the facts that the Islamofascists wish hidden:

Israel (Palestinian Authority-Administered Territories) - Not Free. PR 5, CL 6. But I thought the Palestians were "freedom" fighters! At least that's what these Palestinians told me:

India (Kashmir) - Partly Free. PR 5, CL 5.

Pakistan (Kashmir) - Not Free. PR 7, CL 5.

Now how about that. I keep hearing Pakistani/Muslim cries for "self-determination" of the Kashmiris, but from this it looks like Pakistan's side needs the most improvement! But oh wait, this might explain it:

Pakistan - Not Free. PR 6, CL 5.

So, the whole of Pakistan is less free than Indian "occupied" Kashmir. From the way the media spins it, I would have thought otherwise...

But hey, we can always rely on those bastions of Islamic freedom...

Saudi Arabia - Not Free. PR 7, CL 7. Truly Pathetic.

Iran - Not Free. PR 6, CL 6.
United Arab Emirates - Not Free. PR 6, CL 6.
Quatar - Not Free. PR 6, CL 5.

It looks like countries like Sierra Leon and Mozambique could teach Muslim countries much about political rights and civil liberties. What a shame.

Freedom in the World is the Michelin Guide to democracy's development.

—The Wall Street Journal

While there are many sources of economic data, good political data is hard to find. Freedom House's survey is an exception. For anyone concerned with the state of freedom, or simply with the state of the world, Freedom in the World is an indispensible guide.

—Fareed Zakaria, Newsweek

posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 03:56 PM
Can't you take a break from the Islam bashing for at least one day?

posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 09:25 PM
What is the purpose of this type of thread targeting muslim countries who are currently targets or at least potential targets in the "War on Terror"? Is it designed merely to continue the dehumanization of muslim people so that killing them in the name of bringing them "democracy" doesn't feel so bad?

If the War on Terror didn't actually mean lying to the western world and then blowing up any muslim country and its occupants that stand in the way of western enterprise then you might have had a point. As it stands, bombing entire cities to remove the minority "islamofascists" is exactly the way to get all ATS "terrorist sympathizers" to be against this stupid war. When you condone the mass killing of people who 99% of the time had nothing to do with this fight, you merely embolden those who protest.

[edit on 25-12-2004 by Frith]

posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 10:17 PM
i'm wondering, ....if you CHOOSE to follow an ideal, like say serfdom or corporate lapdog or samurai, and you are bound by your own ideals to follow your leader, ....are you free? what is the litmus for 'freedom'?

i agree with most of the ideals of my country, which means that i give about HALF or MORE of everything i earn to the government, which is used for both important social services like medicare and welfare, and horrible waste like legal bailouts for fudged government contracts and $1000 lunches for irresponsible public 'servants'.

this means that my personal power has been converted into nebulous public power. my personal freedom count, in one of the most free countries in the world, is starting out at about a 5. and then there is the problem of, everytime i want to actually DO something, i need a government permit. driver's license, building permit, business permit, liquor permit, motorcyle permit, snowmobile permit, special events permit, fishing or hunting permit......... this brings my score up to about a 7.

FORGET about hate. i'm not allowed to hate anyone(luckily for me, this isn't an infringement on my freedom, because i don't WANT to hate anyone). westerners are HOODWINKED into thinking they are free. the iron fist grabbed us so gently, we didn't even notice.

now, if i was muslim, i think i would be bound by my own beliefs to follow the leader.

the only real freedom is anarchy. we have been conditioned since birth to equate anarchy with chaos. oh, well. long live the leader.........

posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 06:34 AM
So, this is a list created to show what some people think are free countries.

The Survey Methodology:

Freedom House measures freedom according to two broad categories: political rights and civil liberties. Political rights enable people to participate freely in the political process, including through the right to vote, compete for public office, and elect representatives who have a decisive impact on public policies and are accountable to the electorate. Civil liberties allow for the freedoms of expression and belief, associational and organizational rights, rule of law, and personal autonomy without interference from the state.

How do they say that a country is free or not I do not understand, they show some democratic countries as not being free.
Does that mean that democracy is not the way to a free country?

I think that I will put this organisation on my "Organisations without clear motives" list.

posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 04:52 PM
Islamofascists and their apologists would rather criticize those who respond to the actions of Islamofascist, authoritarian regimes than work for true freedom for people in Muslim countries. I guess killing infidels and 72 houris in paradise is more attractive than humble, honest introspection for their chest-beating jihadi culture. They will receive their rewards.


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