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Right wing nutters and their fantasy of a race war

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posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex

They are BOTH SOCIALIST causes! Nothing much separates them at all if you actually read up on both ideologies. Different names, same cause. Both evil.


Both are based on 100% control of the population...




posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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Sorry must have misunderstood then.. this ie a formal apology to Ky sorry...reply to: seeker1963


edit on 20-6-2015 by ATF1886 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: mojom

That's all well and good, but the reality of it is that the Proggies want to tell us what to eat, how much we should make, that we can't own firearms for our own good and the list goes on. They want total control.

Yea...I'm not having any of it. I've seen how that works before.


You just dismissed everything I just said even though you say "That's all well and good". But then you just go right back to claiming "They want total control". Face it, you want to believe there is some "Progressive" cult out to get you and you refuse any evidence to the contrary. You also refuse to see how the same irrational belief can be applied to all groups.

Conservatives want total control. They tell us we should worship their God. They tell us who we can marry. They tell us what are values should be. They tell us how to think and act.

Liberals want total control. They tell us what guns we can have. They tell us how to act. They tell us how we should spend our money. They tell us who is racist and who isn't.

Progressives want total control. Bla Bla Bla

White Middle aged men who wear hats on sunday want total control. They tell us....Bla Bla Bla



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: mojom

Well yes, you have a point. But the Conservatives have just recently taken a page out of the Progressives playbook and turned it against them. Both are using emotions to further fan the flames. It's the easy way to do things.

But I don't see Conservatives (not the GOP) as acting in a tyrannical manner, whereas I do see the Progressives actually doing so and stating such openly.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: mojom

Well yes, you have a point. But the Conservatives have just recently taken a page out of the Progressives playbook and turned it against them. Both are using emotions to further fan the flames. It's the easy way to do things.

But I don't see Conservatives (not the GOP) as acting in a tyrannical manner, whereas I do see the Progressives actually doing so and stating such openly.



You're still doing it. You're selectively choosing data to support your theory rather than letting the facts speak for themselves. Notice when you speak of Conservatives you don't include the "GOP". Just like I was saying earlier. However, when it comes to Progressives there is no divider. They are all one and the same.

Because you identify with one group you are able to sub classify those in your group who you like and don't like. But not for any other group. Do you honestly think All people who call themselves Liberal have the same ideals??? Or all Progressives have the same Ideals??? When you know and admit that not all Conservatives have the same Ideals yet have the same label. Why would it be different for any other group???

Also, what is up with this "Playbook" reference everyone always talks about???
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posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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I would consider every politician currently running for president (including Trump) a progressive except for Dr. Ben Carson.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I thought we weren't supposed to use terms like , "Right wing nutters," or the like in threads anymore, let alone the title.


You notice that too? Wow, after all that discussion with the mods assuring us this wouldn't be tolerated and the end result is they don't remove it and delete the poster's account (like they said they would). They just move it to political mud pit. Just as a referesher, here is a quote:




This will end now. We will no longer tolerate the tactless and the rude. We will no longer allow blanket statements about whole groups of people for no other reason than they offend you.



from this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


*** ALL MEMBERS *** Ending Rudeness, Hate, Bigotry: Getting Back to Basics



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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Mitt Romney Urges South Carolina to Take Down Confederate Flag
time.com...

what a RINO!



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
I would consider every politician currently running for president (including Trump) a progressive except for Dr. Ben Carson.


Which is a perfect example of how labels are completely misunderstood. How anyone could consider all Pres. candidates right now as "Progressive", aside from Carson, makes no sense at all.

What single arbitrary thing are you using to link all of them together and to "Progressives"???? The fact that you don't like any of them would be my guess.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: mojom

originally posted by: beezzer
I would consider every politician currently running for president (including Trump) a progressive except for Dr. Ben Carson.


Which is a perfect example of how labels are completely misunderstood. How anyone could consider all Pres. candidates right now as "Progressive", aside from Carson, makes no sense at all.

What single arbitrary thing are you using to link all of them together and to "Progressives"???? The fact that you don't like any of them would be my guess.


I'll try to be brief.


I do not see government as a conduit for freedom. I feel that government is the antithesis of freedom. More government, bigger government means more laws, more regulations.

Less freedoms.

Follow me so far?

Now we have all our candidates. And every one of them is saying that government will do this/that/the other for you.

They all have different ways to approach how government is going to "lead" us. To "serve us".

Not a one of them has stated, "You know what? Government effed up. Government has effed up a lot!"

Instead of saying, maybe the solution is smaller government, instead of "smarter government" or "bigger government" they are painting themselves as promoters of bigger government.

Back to the beginning. . . bigger government means less freedoms.

Progressives want bigger governments.

I've never heard of any progressive endorse freedom, individuality, liberty, smaller government.

Every candidate wants bigger government. Not one candidate has stated that they would make government smaller.

Thus, every candidate is a progressive.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: mojom

I don't include the GOP on purpose. They are not conservative these days and are just as bad as the DNC. Some have called me a libertarian, but I see myself as a independent conservative. And I have voted across the broad as well. I am not bound by any party. Just common sense.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

I do not see government as a conduit for freedom. I feel that government is the antithesis of freedom. More government, bigger government means more laws, more regulations.


You're only seeing it from one side. By your rationale "No Government" equals total Freedom equals the Best choice. But that just isn't how it works. Unless you actually think complete individualism with no laws and no organization of people in to some form of society is the way to go. If you think that then I'd say you're crazy. Humans are not best as single units. We form groups, tribes, packs, etc. We do this because we are social creatures and we benefit more from forming organized groups and teams. We benefit as individuals and as a group. We are not an island to ourselves. Not a successful one at least. We are not better off as individuals or a completely controlled group. It takes a balanced mix of individual freedom and community to achieve the best result.

It's also not a matter of Government Size. It's a matter of Government effectiveness and efficiency. Government should be whatever size it needs to be to accomplish what it needs to do. No more no less. Too small and it lacks the ability to accomplish it's goals. Too big and it becomes mismanaged, ineffective, unaccountable and wasteful.

Not everyone wants Bigger Government nor is Bigger Government, especially at this point going to help. Size is a symptom but not the problem. The problem is that it's not efficient or effective at what it is supposed to do. If it was efficient and operated correctly it's size would grow or shrink to it's appropriate size as needed.

Simply shrinking the size of Gov. isn't a solution. What parts to you take away and what do you leave in place??? What if we removed National Defense but left all social programs??? That would reduce it's size but would that result in a better situation than what we have now??? Not likely. What about the other way around??? Also, not likely unless living in a militarized dictatorship is what you're looking for. So you can't just say, "Smaller Government" is the answer because it's not that easy. You can't just shrink it and expect it to work now.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

Calling BS! I have seen many Democrats referring to their party as Progressive! Blaming Conservative for using the term Progressive?

Ever hear of "Progressive Democrats of America? Of course not, but blame it on Conservatives I guess......


Progressive was a nice way to say socialism, and also speaks towards the ideal that the Constitution should be a living document...can't see where progressive and conservative would ever be in the same sentence.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

Ok, but you see my point is that when it comes to Conservatives you break them up in to "Conservatives" who you identify with and the "GOP" who you don't. However, they are still all considered "Conservative" and are under that label.

But when it comes to "Progressives" you don't separate them in to some who think one way versus some who think differently. You treat them as all the same evil entity.

It's the same as when Christians say, "Well, those people aren't True Christians like us because they think differently and they are wrong and we are right." But to anyone on the outside, they're all just Christians.

When you say "Progressives" are all the same, it's the same as me saying "Conservatives" are all the same. But are they??? Obviously not since according to you "Conservatives and the GOP" aren't even the same. Well, I'm telling you the same goes for "Progressives" and "Liberals" and all other groups too. The difference is that because you identify more with some groups than others, you see them as more dynamic than the others. But the fact is that not all Cons are the same nor are all Progs or all Libs. Just like all Jews aren't the same, nor are all blacks, or all Men, or all Americans. Those are just labels that help simplify our organization of them but are not accurate in representing their motives.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: christophoros
Let's get this straight before some conservative believes me to be a lefty or commie or whatever new word righties call people with opposing view points I am neither I take the good qualities from both and understand how it was used to seperate.

Now back to the topic at hand. We all know about the horrible tragedy that took place in one historically black church by a extreme white supremacists this past week. Not only was it a horrible thing to happen but we also got to sneak a glimpse into the deluded mind of the right wing conservative.

Instead of condemning the racist idealogy that spawned this hate many conservatives took a rather disgusting and some would say racist route to rationalizing the attack a route that conservatives have been pushing forever.

These two routes were as follows. The first which I saw plain as day on Fox news dismisses that there was any racial motivation to the crime at hand and that it was clearly an attack on "faith". It is a truly disgusting viewpoint. I don't understand how these people can be brainwashed into such a deluded world that they would believe this. This is the go to delusion of the right even when all evidence says otherwise they will believe that there religion is under attack and the whole world is trying to persecute them for being Christian. No you are being condemned for being a bigot it's that simple.

The second route conservatives took was that there was a vast conspiracy by the gov. To start a race war. The perpetrator would later admit this to confirm their own bias. Let me make one thing clear to conservatives everywhere right now if you as a human being believe in such fantasy that is a " race war" I am going to automatically assume that you are a foaming at the mouth top notch racist.

This fantasy has been pushed on conservative white Americans since the civil war. Maybe even stemming farther back. Anytime there is racial oppression going on this was there go to. And you must understand some racist southerners still hold this resentment I believe from the many slave rebellions of the past. Anytime oppression becomes visible to the forefront the agitators were "race baiters" and trying to start a " race war".

The last "agitator" to be given these attributes was the great Martin Luther king. From communist race baiter to race war agitator MLK was called every name in the book never mind he was a Christian man to most southerners he was the devil spawn. To this day right wingers will call you a "race baiter". If you are using a word that has been the excuse by racists to ignore injustice against minorities for countless of years what make you think what your saying is any different? It's not to me it feels like we took a time machine back into the sixties only we have modern technology. Same problems same excuses as before.

Back to the "race war" narrative. Righties let's get one thing straight there will never be a race war. Black Americans are not going to band together and start killing whites without mercy. It's not going to happen. The ones in poverty that are being oppressed are too busy trying to survive and not get shot by other black man. While the well off and middle class are trying their hardest to assimilate and be apart of this sick system all they want to do is fit in and get a little slice of the pie.

The thought process for their rationalizations is very simple. Most of the right extremists know that what happened throughout our history to black Americans was wrong. So they wait with baited breath for the snapping point. Right wingers must stop believing that everyone is after them. The commies aren't after you, Blacks aren't after you, and Athiwst lefties aren't trying to destroy your religion just stop being so paranoid and crazy already! This is one of the many reasons southerners are a so gun happy in their paranoid delusions they really do believe there is a dangerous entity that is always after them and I will honestly never know why. But you Righties need to understand black people don't hate you they hate the system we are under not you. They hate the system the same way all educated men who are not brainwashed by media hate it.

So I plead with you Righties and extreme conservatives SNAP OUT OF IT AMERICA IS IN DEEP # FROM ALL SIDES THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR WAY OF LIFE THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE ALL OUR RIGHTS NOT JUST YOURS ITS TIME TO STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH YOUR FELLOW MAN THAT IS THE ONLY WAY.





You sir, are an idiot/brain dead moron.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:31 PM
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There are racist people everywhere, in every country. But not everyone in every country is racist. Why does it show more in the USA? Well, look at our demographics. Which countries have as diverse of a group of people as the USA?Wait about 10 years or so, and see where all these northern European countries are, with all the foreigners pouring in. I can almost promise you that you will see lots of racist acts there as well.


Why does it show more in the USA? Well, look at our demographics. Which countries have as diverse of a group of people as the USA?

A: LOTS! In fact, having a diverse group of people is lacking in the U.S when compared to other nations. Yes, you do have a diverse group, but ignorantly believing the U.S is the most demographically diverse is the result of propaganda programming.

Your above perspective arises from a lack of global travel and the acceptance of information without weighing it out. America is thee most segregated nation I have ever visited despite its diversity....

I live in Toronto which is thee most multicultural/multi-ethnic city in the world with a population of seven million (GTA). In fact, Canada as a whole, along with the U.K, and the Netherlands, is more diversified than the U.S. Germany and France as well.

I just came back from "the Taste of Italy Festival"....one of many street festivals here that draw crowds in the tens of thousands at times...

www.blogto.com...



Wait about 10 years or so, and see where all these northern European countries are, with all the foreigners pouring in. I can almost promise you that you will see lots of racist acts there as well.


Whatever makes you feel better about the U.S race relations...

Why is it so difficult to admit that U.S society is vastly different and in need of repair without throwing the rest of the world into your pile?

Why seek comfort in numbers?



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Mostly well said.

It's an new age tactic from racists to switch the spotlight by screaming "race baiter"...


It won't go away either.


So I say screw unity with them, let them stew in their own sh# while the rest of the world unites...

We don't need to convert racists...

Sod them.


And what about those who scream "RACIST!" to derail debate on anything? I guess you're one of those people, naturally.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

You sir, are an idiot/brain dead moron.



You sir, are in violation of the T&C. If you want to counter his position then do so. But if you are here to call people names because you don't like what they have to say, then you belong somewhere else with the other little children who haven't learned to respect others and their freedom of speech.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: mojom

originally posted by: beezzer

I do not see government as a conduit for freedom. I feel that government is the antithesis of freedom. More government, bigger government means more laws, more regulations.


You're only seeing it from one side. By your rationale "No Government" equals total Freedom equals the Best choice. But that just isn't how it works. Unless you actually think complete individualism with no laws and no organization of people in to some form of society is the way to go. If you think that then I'd say you're crazy. Humans are not best as single units. We form groups, tribes, packs, etc. We do this because we are social creatures and we benefit more from forming organized groups and teams. We benefit as individuals and as a group. We are not an island to ourselves. Not a successful one at least. We are not better off as individuals or a completely controlled group. It takes a balanced mix of individual freedom and community to achieve the best result.

It's also not a matter of Government Size. It's a matter of Government effectiveness and efficiency. Government should be whatever size it needs to be to accomplish what it needs to do. No more no less. Too small and it lacks the ability to accomplish it's goals. Too big and it becomes mismanaged, ineffective, unaccountable and wasteful.

Not everyone wants Bigger Government nor is Bigger Government, especially at this point going to help. Size is a symptom but not the problem. The problem is that it's not efficient or effective at what it is supposed to do. If it was efficient and operated correctly it's size would grow or shrink to it's appropriate size as needed.

Simply shrinking the size of Gov. isn't a solution. What parts to you take away and what do you leave in place??? What if we removed National Defense but left all social programs??? That would reduce it's size but would that result in a better situation than what we have now??? Not likely. What about the other way around??? Also, not likely unless living in a militarized dictatorship is what you're looking for. So you can't just say, "Smaller Government" is the answer because it's not that easy. You can't just shrink it and expect it to work now.


And this is why I would consider you a progressive.



posted on Jun, 20 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

And this is why I would consider you a progressive.


And that is why I put zero value on the things you consider.




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