Earth's sixth mass extinction has begun, study confirms

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: muSSang

I had no idea other species mastered metallurgy to create steel, glass, plastic ARTIFICIAL structures.

Artificial does not include sticks and things NATURAL to the environment.

I find it rather interesting that the 3 items you listed were all items that were originally found in nature.

The human component is simply in the production of those items. The natural process is not fast enough for demand, so we figured out how they were made, in nature, and refined the process' from there.

Human greed and preference for stylistic rhetoric and blissful ignorance, over intelligence and the obvious difficult and unpleasant impending reality may well spell our doom. I have been speculating on my daily commute that this has already been determined, and the blatant overspend by our government's has actually been spent on preparation and the impending economic crash is of little significance in the long run.

Whilst I confess to 'doom porn' being my guilty pleasure, I really hope its not true.

a reply to: Jonjonj

We are a part of nature, but we are rebelling against it. Cities are not natural, burning fossil fuels is not natural, fracking is not natural, huge trash dumps are not natural, polluting waters with man-made poisons is not natural, etc.

I'm not removing humans from nature, I am only pointing out that we are going against the natural order.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

You have insulted me with that comment. I can not hold ideas in my mind?

You seem to forget the principle of niche and species diversity, which could easily account for all that you said and more.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And that is the whole point you see. I am not sure that we are in fact going against the natural order. If the natural order is undefined then all bets are off.

What is the natural order for you? Bees and flowers?
I agree, that is beautiful, but what if it is intelligence, progression, technology?

What then?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I'm not removing humans from nature, I am only pointing out that we are going against the natural order.

Seeing as the 'natural order' is to adapt, consume, and breed until our environment is no longer capable of handling our presence...no, we are not going against the 'natural order'.

If anything, we are excelling at it.

a reply to: Jonjonj

You have a point. Either way, according to this study we alone as a species are speeding up the process. It can change though, I'm just afraid it may be too late.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think that what is true is that getting humans off the planet earth would be good for planet earth, I have no doubt there. And I think we are well on the way to that, then the planet will recover, as it always has.

Look on us as a virus, we take what we need, most of us die, and we move on.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

That is because we are not entirely "natural", we are an imperfect creation. By design.

The human could have gone one of two ways... Inevitable extinction, the way of the animal species, or to advance beyond our flawed, sinful and evil inherent nature.

Can you guess the way we are going?

Got a century, or less to figure it out.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Scientists have been saying we've likely entered this phase for about 15-20 years now. I figured it was a given based on the trends, figured we entered it sometime last decade. It's cute to think how sociable (group selfishness) we can be, yet this very drive might bring down civilization later in this century or early into next. I'm actually fairly meh about it in the long run, assuming we get another planet to give it another go in.

Just like what was stated, "Only when a species is on the very tip of extinction do they truly change their ways in order to survive," from the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" I believe holds true for us. Many will perish, billions will die, but the human race will straggle on for awhile and most will learn from the past, while there will be at least 1% who will see the destruction and devastation as an untapped market to cash in on. Hopefully those that survive will pass on the truth, the truth about what truly happened in order to overthrow those that live and still try to maintain their ways.

There is no way in hell that every person will die. there are too many bunkers and safe havens around the world that the powerful and privledged will flock to. So extinction is not possible.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

There really is no way to stop this process now. Science will fail to be able to explain the progression in a satisfactory way.

Humans are not going to make the sacrifices it would require. So, we face an overpopulated world with dwindling resources, failing ecosystems, extreme climate shifts, devastating to food production, collapsing economies, war... It's not far from there to an earth without humanity... From that, perhaps tens of thousands of years beyond nature will begin sustained recovery...

imo

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Jonjonj

We are a part of nature, but we are rebelling against it. Cities are not natural, burning fossil fuels is not natural, fracking is not natural, huge trash dumps are not natural, polluting waters with man-made poisons is not natural, etc.

I'm not removing humans from nature, I am only pointing out that we are going against the natural order.

How do you know that we are part of nature? Maybe humans are not meant to be apart of this fragile planet. There is literally zero ways that billions can live on this planet, in peace, with little technology, without cities, without trash, without transportation.

Sure there are idealistic ways to combat each problem, but as you may know, there are people that don't want solutions to exist that fix the problems that are perpetuated by those in power. Electric Co, Oil Co, Auto Co, Monsanto Co, etc. Who has the power to combat them? Elected officials, yet they become schills for them, so our meager serfdom words fall on deaf ears forever.

Going with the natural order causes more problems IMHO if we were to have 7 billion people doing it. imagine everyone riding horses, doing farming with oxen, using wood for heat, no cities, no protection, no medical facilities, etc. We are not meant to be on this planet unless we are able to use technology to survive. Sure some can live in the wild for years, but they still burn fires, use weapons, in order to survive, no other animal does that or needs to. We are designed to be able to create, and what we (and many past people) have created and perpetuated over generations is a design that is outdated yet very profitable for those that perpetuate it.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Sublimecraft

I think that simply shows how adaptable and ingenious we are. We're also the only species to be on all continents.

How about fly's or ants/gnats/lice/microbes?

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: ausername

Perhaps that is precisely the reason why we won't survive as a collective, but will as a species.

Our seeds WILL be sown, that is a fact. Even if we get to the very last day, we will launch our dna into space and hope it takes root, if we haven't already.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I snf'd you as i agree with your opinion of humans.
I think a mass extinction is a blessing in disguise for our race. We totally suck right now

Soz dbl

a reply to: iDope

We survived just fine riding horses and living without the advanced technology we have today for thousands of years. We do not need technology at the scale we have it today in order to survive, if that were the case those tribes in the Amazon wouldn't exist.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'm totally hearing you bro, just think where technology will be in 50 years... A 100 years! Wtf?? We are so doomed anywaanyway

a reply to: iDope

As hard as this may be for you to believe. We were in fact a product of evolution, but only to a point. The point where we became a creation...

Depending on your current belief system, you may be inclined to accept part or all of man made religious explanations, or others. We've always struggled with explaining our existence, so we created faiths, religions to help us deal with the unknown.

Why are we here... Why do we know what we know, what happens when we die... ????

A million questions because you are intelligent, sentient and have an advanced consciousness. You are more unlike any natural creature on earth, than you are similar to any creature on earth...

Truth is, no one really wants the real answers.

imo

originally posted by: Rezlooper
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

These scientists are finally recognizing what some here at ATS have known for several years now. You can learn how and why this extinction event is upon is Here and this is the real deal folks. More and more "Science" will be proving what I've been saying all along. Governments will slowly start to act but I pray it's not too late when they finally do.

I beg you all please read this man's book posted on ATS and I assure you it will change your attitude about how we live and die.
We are in for one hell of a ride me thinks.
S&F to the OP

Regards, Iwinder