AmeriKKKa

originally posted by: seasoul
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

“ Service. Honor. Pride.”
Black Confederate Veterans

source: www.scv357.org...

A picture of a black man in KKK robes or waving a confederate flag wont be changing the cause of the KKK or what the south stood for much.

There are those who preach hate against themselves for whatever reason, its just ignorance to look the other way and ignore what the symbolism truly stands for in my opinion.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

Ron Paul
April 18, 2007

(cutting out stuff from the 2007 Imus incident)

It's disconcerting to see third parties become involved and presume to speak collectively for minority groups. It is precisely this collectivist mindset that is at the heart of racism.

It's also disconcerting to hear the subtle or not-so-subtle threats against free speech. Since the FCC regulates airwaves and grants broadcast licenses, we're told it's proper for government to forbid certain kinds of insulting or offensive speech in the name of racial and social tolerance. Never mind the 1st Amendment, which states unequivocally that, “Congress shall make NO law.”

Let's be perfectly clear: the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way. Furthermore, government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combating bigotry in our society. Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we can't change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

In fact it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us.

The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.

edits and emphasis mine

Irish Americans,
Italian Americans.
German Americans,
Black Americans,
Mexican Americans,
Why not just call yourselves Americans?

OP Said:

White right wing militias is one of the greatest threats to public safety. In post 9/11 white American culture has become increasingly pathological but they will not look at what is radicalizing white men to commit such acts of domestic terrorism and mass shootings. Fox News and other right wing media encourage it. Which is why 'America' is often referred to as 'AmerKKKa.'

Hillary Clinton said:

Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision … And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her.

www.weeklystandard.com...

Margaret Sanger said:

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

www.lifenews.com...

But hey maybe Hillary is the only democrat that openly praises and supports white supremacists. But then why is it that most KKK members have been primarily Democrat representatives?
en.wikipedia.org...

Also, how is it that socialist supporters are now right wing? I mean, the KKK has been one of the staunchest supporters of national socialism. So now Socialism is the domain of the Republicans? How's that work?

Truly curious as to your rationale that this is a terrorist act coming from the right wing. Is it because you're simply parroting what's being repeated with out actually examining the history of things?

But don't fret, it's easy to be brain washed about race and which wing it comes from when you eat media propaganda like this:
MSNBC Says TEA Party Racist - Uses Gun Toting TEA Party Member to Prove the Point - Hides the Fact He's Black

a reply to: GenerationGap

So What? In Sanger's time, the lowest and most abused and poorest in american society were black women. Those women gave birth and watched half of her babies die due to poverty. Sanger and Hillary stir up conversations we don't want to have. How you spin it to compare them to Timothy McVeigh types is propaganda.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
I suggest that you move to a country that already has draconian type laws like the ones you call for. Not a personal attack at all there.

You talk about freedom of speech, while calling for freedom of speech you don't like to be cracked down on. That is kinda cute.

I am saying we need to stomp out ignorant hate speech in all its forms.

Yeah, good luck with that.

There will ALWAYS be hate speech. The key is to not let it get to you, then it has no power.

Words. that's all they are.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The road to hell is paved with it.

You can try and try and try to do the right thing, but the simple truth is that you have to be met in the middle to help someone else. I tried and tried to reach and help inner city middle school students learn. I bent over backwards. A few took advantage of that, met me in the middle and expended their own effort. The rest spat on it. No matter what I did to help them, they weren't going to learn unless they expended effort on their own part to meet my outreach. There is a point at which you either learn the lesson that some will not respond and let them go their own way, or you keep trying to expending more of yourself to the point of damage.

The pathological part of it is that you have the impulse to keep trying to help even when it's clear your efforts are met with no appreciation or reciprocity on the part of those whom you are trying to help, even perhaps that they may be trying to take advantage of your good intentions.

And nothing about that will ever change for you because the negatives, the failures, the more challenged ones are always the ones you focus on. You seem to have turned focusing on the negative into an art form. Sometimes those people you describe here, kids I presume, are the ones who are the most difficult to reach, are the ones who need the help and the attention the most. Your animosity and resentment shows, and yes, those children are the ones who need a person who can see through their stubbornness and their false bravado.

What you call 'pathological' (which is preposterously inaccurate -- do you have a clear definition of the word?) I see as interested, determined, and dedicated. I have a colleague who's eyes sparkle when he meets a challenging youth. The tougher, the better. He actually requests them.

So because you gave up, and felt resentment for 'throwing your pearls to swine", (sorry, but that's how you come across), doesn't mean others feel the same way. Far from it.

I have worked with very difficult youth, in different circumstances, not a teaching arena, but more of a one-on-one basis so I know how challenging they can be. You can cut through their unappreciative veneer after a while, and allow them to see themselves, but First you have to care, and then you must WANT to try. Kids pick up on a 'holier than thou attitude' very quickly, and I've never known anyone with that attitude to have much success with that particular demographic of kids.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
I suggest that you move to a country that already has draconian type laws like the ones you call for. Not a personal attack at all there.

You talk about freedom of speech, while calling for freedom of speech you don't like to be cracked down on. That is kinda cute.

I am saying we need to stomp out ignorant hate speech in all its forms.

Yeah, good luck with that.

There will ALWAYS be hate speech. The key is to not let it get to you, then it has no power.

Words. that's all they are.

Its not that hate speach is just getting to me its killing the nation, and has started killing people in churches, lets not forget hate speech was what slavery and wars were based on, it can resurge likened to a tsunami wave drowning the nation in ignorant racism if the people arent vigilant against it. Hatred is likened to physical diseases, its like a mutating cancer is killing us, that resists all forms of treatment and keeps comming back to kill us more and more, the only way to get some of it to stop is to show it its only killing different parts of itself every time it kills its targets. There is only one way to peace and thats through understanding of unity of being with all things in counsiousness, non-duality, including animate and inanimate.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

But that's not a definition and there is no god. In your version of freedom, would you have the speech of the minority held to the will of the majority.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

But that's not a definition and there is no god. In your version of freedom, would you have the speech of the minority held to the will of the majority.

No in my version of freedom we are all as god or a singularity of being, the many in the one and the one in the many, there is no difference. My version of freedom is likened to the BIG BANG, or a dream where we are a counsious creator, taking part of the creation, as a part of ourselves. Like I said before I think our civilization will eventually get there, and perhaps part of all of us is already there, it may be the soul of all things or the counsiousness in all things. Reguardless its all things and some would call it god, others atoms.

Anyways I think its just a matter of time. . . .

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

But that's not a definition and there is no god. In your version of freedom, would you have the speech of the minority held to the will of the majority.

No in my version of freedom we are all as god or a singularity of being, the many in the one and the one in the many, there is no difference. My version of freedom is likened to the BIG BANG, or a dream where we are a counsious creator, taking part of the creation, as a part of ourselves. Like I said before I think our civilization will eventually get there, and perhaps part of all of us is already there, it may be the soul of all things or the counsiousness in all things. Reguardless its all things and some would call it god, others atoms.

Anyways I think its just a matter of time. . . .

And back on earth...?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

But that's not a definition and there is no god. In your version of freedom, would you have the speech of the minority held to the will of the majority.

No in my version of freedom we are all as god or a singularity of being, the many in the one and the one in the many, there is no difference. My version of freedom is likened to the BIG BANG, or a dream where we are a counsious creator, taking part of the creation, as a part of ourselves. Like I said before I think our civilization will eventually get there, and perhaps part of all of us is already there, it may be the soul of all things or the counsiousness in all things. Reguardless its all things and some would call it god, others atoms.

Anyways I think its just a matter of time. . . .

And back on earth...?

We are stumbling through our mundane lives talking about racism and how it may or may not end LOL.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Ah so everyone that don't follow the script, that isn't a racist white guy must be an ignorant uncle tom, or be suffering from some stocholm syndrome. Must be nice to be able to lump people into such neat and tidy categories. That's not left wing cult racism in action though right?

No its not at all its just my opinoin which last time I checked i am entitled to.

I am not saying they are Uncle Toms or any such nonsense.

What I am saying is it doesnt change what it means for the rest of us Americans, the confederate flag and KKK robes only symbolise racism for the majority. It can mean whatever the individual wants but that doesnt change what it means to the masses. To the masses it means racism. People can say they are not a racist and brandish the Confederate flag of KKK robes if they want but the masses will just see them as racists reguardless.

Someone can say the color black is white to them but the masses will just say its black, because its what we believe in our collective counsiousness. Doesnt matter what the individuals may do its what the masses think of it that really sets the tone. The needs and thoughts of the few do not outweigh the needs and thoughts of the many.

So is that how we need to define freedom of speech? The needs and the thoughts of the many?

I would define freedom as god realized period.
How we define it will be decided over time, and will change as our collective counsiousness changes. All things seem to be in a constant state of change however there may be something in all things which remains the same as well which is far beyond any concepts of racism but may be a true expression of infinate freedom. I think our society and civilization is moving towards that greater and higher counsiousness, but in the mean time a few racist hurdels remain before we reach any progressive checkpoints of non duality.

That's a non answer. Freedom is freedom. Do you define freedom as being only able to do or say what the majority wants you to?

LOL no its not I clearly stated:
I would define freedom as god realized period.

But that's not a definition and there is no god. In your version of freedom, would you have the speech of the minority held to the will of the majority.

No in my version of freedom we are all as god or a singularity of being, the many in the one and the one in the many, there is no difference. My version of freedom is likened to the BIG BANG, or a dream where we are a counsious creator, taking part of the creation, as a part of ourselves. Like I said before I think our civilization will eventually get there, and perhaps part of all of us is already there, it may be the soul of all things or the counsiousness in all things. Reguardless its all things and some would call it god, others atoms.

Anyways I think its just a matter of time. . . .

And back on earth...?

We are stumbling through our mundane lives talking about racism and how it may or may not end LOL.

But you are for doing something now, obviously, and not just waiting to transcend.

a reply to: n00bUK

Are you kidding? Nothing ISN'T about race anymore. The issue is that there is no personal responsibility in America today. Everyone is a victim. Blame, blame, blame is the name of the game. So sick of it and most people are. #sideshowpopcorn because I have some things to take responsibility for and the behavior of some random morons isn't one of them. When I have built a life on solid foundations they will still be demanding that someone support them and/or that someone else caused all their problems.

The company I work for, which enables me to build that life if I am willing to shoulder the responsibilities, is a massive melting pot. Nearly a thousand people of all colors and creeds, all with strong work ethics, ambition and desire and commitment to a process of personal and professional development. Many of them do not have degrees, many do. Blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, arabs, persians, jews, you name it. The defining factor isn't race, it's personal values. The opportunity is there in the US like no other place on Earth but it's competitive. You have to struggle and sacrifice. Those who are focused on blame and anger because their world view is based on their own victimhood will never succeed. They will only leech off those of us that dare to achieve or go down in flames TRYING. They can't grasp it YET but that's why they are pissed, that's why people are getting shot, looted, or whatever pointless garbage is going on during this news cycle. The cry me a river losers are the real victimizers. The eventual winners don't have time for that crap, they are too busy learning to be awesome, energetic, outgoing, confident, productive, intellectual humans. Too busy adapting and overcoming challenges, negotiating deals, expanding their social circles, enjoying new experiences and getting out of their little box to realize that the world is enormous and full of opportunity and that a lack of opportunity is actually the GREATEST opportunity for an entrepreneur. SHHHHH, it's a secret though....

Some stupid kid doesn't define a culture. You don't know America. You know mass media and Jerry Springer.