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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Power_Semi
We don't "feel" that it's a right.
It IS a right.
What civilized person feels the need to slate an entire group of people, the vast overwhelming majority of whom they have never and will never meet? And feels the need to mindlessly attack their intellect and spew rhetoric based off one variable out of a person's entire being?
Asked and answered.
originally posted by: Power_Semi
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
And as usual you guys will bury your heads in the sand and deny that the US has a massive gun problme.
Very sad.
Problem is not one of those poor victims was carrying because a church is supposed to be a safe haven. If someone had a CCW permit, they could've have nipped the situation in the bud before nine people were shot and killed. Yes, that is a massive gun problem where only the crazies are the ones shooting people.
Or the one with CcW could have been shot first before he/she realised.
Not a fan of strict gun control but let's be real guns are not a magic fix all solution.
I'm not saying guns are a "magic fix all solution". But maybe the amount of victims could've been minimized if the perp would've been taken out after say, the second innocent victim.
That's like saying "someone infected the church congregation with ebola and they died - if only we'd all had ebola then maybe someone would have infected him first and he'd have died before he infected and killed the others".
More of the thing that is causing a problem does not solve the problem, it makes it worse.
Only in America is such stupidity seen and promoted as rational thought.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: AmericanZombie
Race baiting would be gunning down nine people in hopes of starting a race war.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Power_Semi
You do understand that the overwhelming majority of gun owners (again, the ones you haven't met) haven't murdered anybody right?
You do understand that people who want to murder somebody will do so however they can, right?
Which is why convicts use things like shoelaces and bedsheets to kill other convicts in prison, where even the guards don't have easy access to firearms, much less the "population."
You do understand that, right?
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
And as usual you guys will bury your heads in the sand and deny that the US has a massive gun problme.
Very sad.
Problem is not one of those poor victims was carrying because a church is supposed to be a safe haven. If someone had a CCW permit, they could've have nipped the situation in the bud before nine people were shot and killed. Yes, that is a massive gun problem where only the crazies are the ones shooting people.
Or the one with CcW could have been shot first before he/she realised.
Not a fan of strict gun control but let's be real guns are not a magic fix all solution.
I'm not saying guns are a "magic fix all solution". But maybe the amount of victims could've been minimized if the perp would've been taken out after say, the second innocent victim.
DO NOT BRING GUNS TO CHURCH PERIOD
originally posted by: humanityrising
Really hope this isn't spun into a racial issue...that is unless they actually find KKK paraphernalia in his house or something...
originally posted by: Power_Semi
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Power_Semi
We don't "feel" that it's a right.
It IS a right.
What civilized person feels the need to slate an entire group of people, the vast overwhelming majority of whom they have never and will never meet? And feels the need to mindlessly attack their intellect and spew rhetoric based off one variable out of a person's entire being?
Asked and answered.
Yes it IS a right, but it's an outdated one that needs to be addressed.
If you have a right to have access to an automated killing machine then who are the most likely people to buy it?
The people who want to kill other people, or at least don't mind killing other people to conduct their criminal enterprise, or the law abiding "wouldn't hurt a fly" type people who don't wish malice on anyone?
Think about people who are stressed, they've lost their job, found out their partner is cheating on them, are angry at something else - do you want to bump their car or somehow upset them, or meet them when they've had some beers when they are carrying a gun?
If you think that you and everyone else being able to carry a gun will reduce the instances of shootings then you're mad as a bag of rats.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Power_Semi
So the grand summation to your argument against guns is "well if they have knives then they can't kill as many people."
Well thank god they just killed LESS people. I mean, the nutter only managed to stab three people to death. Thank god it wasn't nine. Three murders is WAY better.
And I see that no, you in fact cannot post anything without making it a personal attack.
Oh well.
originally posted by: Power_Semi
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Power_Semi
You do understand that the overwhelming majority of gun owners (again, the ones you haven't met) haven't murdered anybody right?
You do understand that people who want to murder somebody will do so however they can, right?
Which is why convicts use things like shoelaces and bedsheets to kill other convicts in prison, where even the guards don't have easy access to firearms, much less the "population."
You do understand that, right?
It's far harder for a skinny young white boy to wander into a church and murder 9 people including some bigger and stronger black dudes with a pen knife than it is for him to walk in with a killing machine - made solely for the purpose of killing - and shoot them all dead.
And hey, if you feel that way then let everyone carry around a pen knife then it's the same level playing field - it's just harder for the nutter to kill so many people.
Really, I can't fathom how a supposedly developed country can promote rights of ownership of a killing machine over the rights of the lives of others.
You should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Shamrock6
So how often does a police officer get murdered well protecting the streets with a shoelace or bed sheeting?
originally posted by: AmericanZombie
a reply to: Shamrock6
No matter what, notice how many times this thread comes back to gun control, there is a clear agenda for gun control.