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Forgotten history? 5 years of tories vid

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posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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This is something I often ponder on,
the seemingly short memory of the general population and their apathy at what is unravelling before them

Ok not so much ponder, rage about the ignorant heard

Anyways before I bang out on a massive dogs leg covered by red phos


As usual started my day, got to the point of relaxation and did my usual ....what can I learn about today ?
Latest black projects
UK terror policy updates
the African front
and stumbled across this little gem
44 mins of reminders of the last 5 years
I'm 22 mins in and the commentary has picked up

youtube.com...

Sorry can't seem to post vid ? Dunno if it's coz I'm new

edit on 17-6-2015 by AlphaPred because: Well to change a few things , why else? What a fing stupid question , especially when "must be filled out" is bllx, just sayin is all

edit on 17-6-2015 by AlphaPred because: Reason for edit was to edit the text from the previous edited txt box so it wasnt so aggresive





posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

how about a link or two. how can we comment on what it is we forgot over the last five years without reminders.
everything that you listed is happening now.

i see now here is your video.



edit on 17-6-2015 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

Sour grapes.

Its all well moaning about the tories but lest we forget the Blair/Brown administration lied to get us into a war where 179 British Service personnel died and 5,791 were wounded and spent money like it was going out of fashion causing massive problems for the economy, and bailed out the banks after the financial collapse with tax payers money.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Yeah sorry but it wouldn't let me link the vid so
steady on ...Or just looking for faults and a fight?



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

Know my enemy? I don't really have any but if i did they would generally be very greasy and smelly and tend to congregate in little groups holding signs saying things like "Socialist Workers demand an end to Cameron".

Personally speaking, i generally agree with ending the welfare free for all that had developed, whilst getting people back into work is only a good thing, even if those people feel "forced" into work.

Like any party, there are aspects that i don't personally like or agree with but on the whole i (and a sizeable proportion of the population) tend to think they offer the best hope for Britain going forward. That may change at the next election but at the moment i certainly support them.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: neformore

No not sour grapes at all, I'm firm in the belief that they're all as bad as each other
BUT
Tories supported both illegal conflicts when they were the opposition
and since they came to power there has been Liby,a Syria, Iraq again, yep I'll say it coz I know more than thou.......eatern Europe, central Asia, Kenya, Somalia, and a whole host of nefarious operations in places you're and we are not allowed to know the name of
I know this because it's what I've done for the last 14 years for the British govern.....corporate exploitation

And to put a cherry on top .......whom deregulated the banks that paved the way for our current economic woes?
The same party that destroyed British manufacturing, leaving us with only the "service" industry ( banking services that is ) to maintain the economy . Talk about putting all your eggs in 1 basket!

I admit it's all a big pile of poop, I hope you concede and agree



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

Last time I checked Labour had 13 years to regulate the banks and chose not to do it.

You say they're as bad as each other - and thats true enough but do you have a similar anti abour vid to add to the mix?

If not, its sour grapes, because Labour have been a disaster in the past 5 years and lost the election because of it.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Flavian

Where as I don't support many of their policies, and much of their vocabulary of late
David Cameron compairing conspiracy theorists and ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH WHAT THEY SAY to extremists, there by potential terrorist, there by open to any and all assets availible to attack you

We have seen this recently on a large scale during the Scottish referendum where the civil intelligence community was involved in surveillance, and media manipulation
a matter of national security? yes in a respect
Cause to userp the democratic process in a part of our own nation by use of national assets?

The writings on the wall, and its straight from the horses mouth
if you disagree you are an extremist
if your an extremist you're a potential terrorist
once labelled a potential terrorist you're liable to find yourself locked away somewhere without any legal process

The stats are out 2%....yes 2% of terrorist attacks in Europe were accountable to religious extremism

2%. Let that sink in
for all the bleating and coverage of those evil Muslims they account for 2%
The rest ? Well this is where we cross to conspiracy theory.
Eco protests/attacks ( yeah ok eco terrorism) attacking corporations that are destroying the environment
regional separatism like Catalonia and political activists


Sorry I'll take a break there



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:23 AM
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Party politics is an illusion of choice; an illusion that is to some degree granted credibility by the fact that certain types of behaviour can be attributed to the opposing sides.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

no fights or faults just wanted to see what you were talking about. then i noticed at first that you had the video number in plain text and went to youtube. then i posted it, in the meantime you posted it as a link.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: neformore

Anti Labour ....Oh hell yeah
I'll let you in on a little secret
my grandmother was Labour mp for Plymouth and Sutton and a JP
Rubbed shoulders with them all Wilson Thatcher Dr David Owen paddy Ashdown, all the names at the time
she left politics and the party in the early '80's as she had become disgusted with events she never divulged to me, but I vividly remember her warnings about the political class
edit on 17-6-2015 by AlphaPred because: fat thumbs



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Yeah sorry ...the vid had me a little miffed
thanks for linking the vid for me



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

I will certainly agree that the Tories supported both wars but i would say they voted on the evidence presented...........

Aside from that, you make many points i agree with (to an extent, at least) but also many i really don't agree with. Did the Tories really destroy manufacturing in this country? I seem to remember the unions playing rather a large part in that particular process.......

Although for anyone that can't remember the 70's, i will concede that the role the unions played may be hard to swallow. However, for those of us that can remember, the role of the unions will never be forgotten.

The Scottish referendum campaign certainly is a case in point but frankly the online campaign by the Nats supporters relieves me of any sympathy i may have had towards them. Anyone coming out with the sheer volume of vitriol and attacks they managed deserves all the scrutiny they received.

I wholeheartedly agree about the Muslim issue though. As one who has lived in entirely Pakistani areas in West Yorkshire (allegedly prime Muslim fanatic ground) i have to say that whilst there certainly is an issue, it is majorly overplayed. I see the current media (and the media at the time) were linking the riots to race wheras they were always more about poverty. I can say that with confidence as i lived in the epicentre of the riots in 2001, am white and had a shaved head (laziness rather than political statement!) and yet didn't have any trouble at all (apart from being sent the long way to the local shops by the Police as they were blocking the road).



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 09:02 AM
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I know I'm sailing close to the personal attack wind here, but I am lost to account for why someone with so little proper grammar, diction and use of punctuation can hold a 'supposed' senior position in our government.

I think your claims are non-researched, socialist, biased bile.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: Flavian

True, true they voted
on made up sexed up evidence that they knew was unreliable at best
and to invade a country that agreed to arrest and hand over Osama bin Laden if the US government provided some evidence
Wouldn't you like to think that if the US demanded you were handed over on terrorism charges that your gov would demand some evidence ?

Hang on I'll hear some say . What about Syria , they voted to stay out

Yes ....Well they were working on different intelligence than we the public had
We may think this was a victory for democracy, the fact is if we went at that time we were looking at unacceptable losses due to a certain kit deficiency and "rustyness" in skills
that's what caused the no vote

With regards to the unions ....yes I concede they caused their fair share of the problem, to equate a Labour movement to a developed government and its resources is a little weak
whilst being subjected to state subversion and surveillance, it naturally drives the target deeper underground or to more direct action , and the circle of escalation continues untill the authorities use a cavalry charge down the street

But really ? The Scottish thing? Just coz some a holes are less than polite about our union that warrents the full force of the national defence be called into play
so you agree
political dissent is terrorism?

Nice to have a good chat

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posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: 321Go

Yep sailing well close buddy
here's a vid just for you ....without sailing too close to a personal attack

m.youtube.com... doubt my former employment all you want
some jobs rely more on the ability to get tangable results that writing essays
I tell you what
elaborate on what you have an issue with and I'll even do the Google search for you, how's that ?

And I think you're on the Sqn getting paid by gchq

edit on 17-6-2015 by AlphaPred because: Just havin a laugh

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posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: AlphaPred

No i never said political dissent was terrorism. However, seeing as you asked, then yes, political dissent COULD be terrorism depending upon the form it takes - that is why it is and always has been monitored in each and every country throughout history. There is nothing particularly sinister about this, providing there are checks and monitors in place.

As to the unions and the role they played in the loss of manufacturing - do you remember the 3 day week? Do you remember strikes about everything you could imagine? Do you remember the unions completely ignoring the fact they were in a global market? Do you remember bin collections not happening? Do you remember rolling power blackouts? I could go on but the point is they all illustrate why things turned out as they did.

Just like with the mines, the unions bit off more than they could chew and then (still to this day) complain when it came back to bite them on the a~*! This is delusion on a scary scale.

As to the Scots Nats being monitored so closely, if you sail close to the wind you can't complain when you come under additional scrutiny. That is how life works, regardless of which particular field / area it happens to be in.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Flavian.
"There is nothing particularly sinister about this, providing there are checks and monitors in place"

And therein lies the problem

Scenario
David Cameron called the paedophile accusers of being conspiracy theorists( happened)
Public march on downing st to demand action
gov refuses, gets a bit hevey handed
protesters escalate in response and at inaction

At what point is these protesters considered a threat to national security and as such targeted by the security forces ?


But I do agree



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: AlphaPred
a reply to: 321Go

Yep sailing well close buddy
here's a vid just for you ....without sailing too close to a personal attack

m.youtube.com... doubt my former employment all you want
some jobs rely more on the ability to get tangable results that writing essays
I tell you what
elaborate on what you have an issue with and I'll even do the Google search for you, how's that ?

And I think you're on the Sqn getting paid by gchq

First of all, style. "I know more than thou" is arrogant as you have no idea who you're talking to.

Labour could have regulated the banks when it came to power, but realised they were contributing a huge percentage of our GDP and loved it. Instead, they set up the spineless FSA, which they told the public would protect them, but knew it was a lie.

British manufacturing was destroyed way before the Conservatives came to power, before Thatcher even. State-owned anything quickly turns to a steaming pile of negative profit. As far as I can remember, only one state enterprise has ever been profitable, and that was groomed to sell on.

Terrorism and extremism are one and the same, whoever is doing it. The dozens of active political groups, many extreme ethnic/racial groups and half a dozen or so animal rights groups are all bundled under the same category as religious extremism, but there are only two active religious groups, making up about 0.5% or less of terrorists. For their percentile fraction, they are a big noise and actively target civilians. They also have a bigger budget and are less predictable, so more attention and resource is focussed on them.

The rest of what you're saying is undecipherable and probably conspiratorial claptrap.



posted on Jun, 17 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: AlphaPred
a reply to: Flavian.
"There is nothing particularly sinister about this, providing there are checks and monitors in place"

And therein lies the problem

Scenario
David Cameron called the paedophile accusers of being conspiracy theorists( happened)
Public march on downing st to demand action
gov refuses, gets a bit hevey handed
protesters escalate in response and at inaction

At what point is these protesters considered a threat to national security and as such targeted by the security forces ?


But I do agree




Are you (conveniently) forgetting Labour's elite close ties with PIE? How utterly sick was that? And they are STILL in power, in Commons...



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