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originally posted by: tigertatzen Who is "we" exactly?
One page prior I actually provided a source to the local news outlet that covered this story.
Pretty sure a choke hold and a tazer used on a 12 year old is excessive ,no matter what the kid did there is a better way to deal with it than what we are seeing here.....that cop needs a new job one that does not involve dealing with people
Pretty sure that's incorrect. It may be a drive stun or whatever kinda cattle prod compliance you want to call it but its the same amount of juice your zapping with. So yeah if you hold the contacts on the person it's no different then the darts. The only difference is the duration of the attempted electrocution.
I've been tagged with a stun gun. You are right it feels like a combination of a real bad bee sting and the funny bone going crazy sensation over your entire body. Actually it feels like your being stabbed with a knife. That's why knife specialists train with electrified dummy knives "shock knives" to simulate the sensation of getting sliced and cut cause the sensation is very similar. I'd say that's a little over board to do to a 12 year old. It's just unprofessional no matter what stupid crap this cop was trained to do by some equally divorced from reality smuck. Its not ok to just do that especially over something so minor. Cops these days can't even diffuse a situation that even most school teachers could. Pathetic. Man up guys.
Circumstances may dictate additional or prolonged activations if the subject is not responding to the effects of the TASER ECW. Officers are trained to assess the effectiveness of the device prior to pressing the trigger for a second or subsequent cycle, or holding the trigger back to extend the cycle; and to consider transitioning to another technique if the TASER ECW repeatedly proves ineffective. However, officers must be cognizant that if transitioning to another technique constitutes an escalation of force, then there is a greater likelihood that the subject, as well as officers, will be more seriously injured; thus the officer might continue to attempt to use the TASER to overcome the subject’s resistance or combative actions in order to reduce greater injury risks.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: abeverage
Matt Sera was a head shorter than GSP....your point?
Or are you suggesting if a kid is shorter than a cop he is allowed to attack the officer without the result being forced compliance?
My point is this...He is a CHILD! Not an adult and clearly not a larger CHILD!
No, I am suggesting that as a shorter, weaker 12 year old excessive force (Tazing) was unnecessary.
Children can be unruly certainly, but do we really want to see our PEACE Officers using a Taser on a CHILD? Restraint can be and should be handled without the use of Excessive Force!
Not tht it actually matters to anyone, but I realize that from my apparent defense of the situation, and having mentioned I was formerly law enforcement I can easily be perceived as being "Cop friendly".
I HATE with a passion seeing cops escalating situations with citizens unnecessarily, I equally hate seeing cops pasting crap on my facebook page about how hard it is out there in the streets as a "soldier", when they are far from being a soldier.
He only used the taser once. The "second" taze was just an edit using the same voice track from the first taze. The kid was just kicking his feet while being cuffed.
EDIT: Something also to note of the filmer, he intentionally moves the camera away from the altercation so as not to film the kid striking at the officer, then again moves the camera away from the officers hands and focuses on the feet. Notice how it goes out of focus badly there for those two camera moves? I believe the video was cropped and edited as whoever had the video felt they could take the voice track from the first taze and combine it with the kicking feet as well as downplay the kids fight with the officer.
Clearly though you see the kid gets a temporary "mount", if you can even call it that, on the officer at the beginning of the video. It is so far away I think the editor simply missed it.
Another thing thats scary to think about.
What if that cop really isnt a cop.
Maybe hes a kidnapper.
That would be a slick way to abduct a child.
When you hear "call the police!" When the police is already there. There is somthing very very wrong going on.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: galaga
You can call me all of the above if you want, I fully think the officers actions were justified and am glad he didn't do anything worse than taze the kid. What if he had punched him in the face and broken his nose/jaw? Or broken his arm forcing a cuff on? Or broken some ribs using his body weight to hold him down? In the end he did exactly what he was supposed to do, and if you disagree then please by all means give a reasonable alternative??
If he had done one of the other things people would be begging for him to use his taser...