RAW VIDEO: Cop Tases 12-Yr-Old Child While Choking Him!

originally posted by: tigertatzen Who is "we" exactly?

'we' is 'not you'

a reply to: FraggleRock

One page prior I actually provided a source to the local news outlet that covered this story.

Sorry I'm just replying to this...I didn't see the link, but then there are numerous times that I have trouble getting the whole page to load. I keep expecting to see smoke coming from the back of this ancient laptop...and I'm only half kidding. Going to use my buddy's machine next door and do some catching up on my break.

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

'we' is 'not you'

How very adult of you. Have a lovely day then.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Pretty sure a choke hold and a tazer used on a 12 year old is excessive ,no matter what the kid did there is a better way to deal with it than what we are seeing here.....that cop needs a new job one that does not involve dealing with people

This is another reason why it would be helpful to have the entire thing on video...not just what happened after the takedown. Unless that kid was a clear threat to the cop, he had no reason to drop him in the first place...much less use a continuous stun-drive on him. You are absolutely right. It's beyond excessive.

These are the kind of things that keep bad cops from justice...like I said the other day, anything can be surmised from a "snapshot" of a scenario, and that cuts both ways. They can scream "police brutality" all day long, but if they only got video showing a screaming, flailing, violent kid who was warned numerous times that he was going to be taken down if he did not comply and get into the vehicle, that is all a jury is going to see too.

I think sometimes people want to highlight the "meat" of a story, but inadvertently do the bad guys a favor in the process. The public's insistence on getting everything on video can be a detriment in disguise, because what is not included in there is open to interpretation too...it all goes back to one person's word against another in those cases.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Pretty sure that's incorrect. It may be a drive stun or whatever kinda cattle prod compliance you want to call it but its the same amount of juice your zapping with. So yeah if you hold the contacts on the person it's no different then the darts. The only difference is the duration of the attempted electrocution.

I've been tagged with a stun gun. You are right it feels like a combination of a real bad bee sting and the funny bone going crazy sensation over your entire body. Actually it feels like your being stabbed with a knife. That's why knife specialists train with electrified dummy knives "shock knives" to simulate the sensation of getting sliced and cut cause the sensation is very similar. I'd say that's a little over board to do to a 12 year old. It's just unprofessional no matter what stupid crap this cop was trained to do by some equally divorced from reality smuck. Its not ok to just do that especially over something so minor. Cops these days can't even diffuse a situation that even most school teachers could. Pathetic. Man up guys.

Not sure what you mean by it being the same amount of "juice"...it's a lesser jolt than using the probes. With the probes, they're designed for use at a distance, say if someone is fleeing or coming at you with a weapon. The drive-stun is for close contact, after you've got someone subdued but can't restrain/cuff them because they're fighting you...it does not cause the muscle contractions (or I should say, typically doesn't...there are medical conditions that will be contraindicative of that), just the bee-sting sharp pain and yeah, kind of an unpleasant tingly feeling too, now that you mention it. My disease spontaneously causes sensations like that in my muscles pretty often, so I really had to think about whether that was a side-effect I experienced from being tased too.

It's specifically designed to be used for compliance; you've got the person subdued but they're trying to get away, so you zap them to make them stop fighting. Of course it's not meant to be a continuous thing, as depicted in the video...but it's meant as a deterrent to further resisting, because people who are flailing and fighting are not only a danger to the person holding them, but to bystanders and themselves as well. I personally think in this case though, the cop could have avoided the entire situation if he had not been yelling and threatening the kid. He wanted to drop that kid. He was looking for a reason. That's just my opinion, but that's what it sounds like to me, listening to the audio.

I hate Wiki and can't get Taser International's page to load, but here's a decent source that's got some info...it doesn't say anything about taser use on kids specifically, but here's some interesting language regarding excessive/prolonged use on any subject:

Circumstances may dictate additional or prolonged activations if the subject is not responding to the effects of the TASER ECW. Officers are trained to assess the effectiveness of the device prior to pressing the trigger for a second or subsequent cycle, or holding the trigger back to extend the cycle; and to consider transitioning to another technique if the TASER ECW repeatedly proves ineffective. However, officers must be cognizant that if transitioning to another technique constitutes an escalation of force, then there is a greater likelihood that the subject, as well as officers, will be more seriously injured; thus the officer might continue to attempt to use the TASER to overcome the subject’s resistance or combative actions in order to reduce greater injury risks.

Taser ECW

a reply to: PageLC14

so you have learned the lesson, and now you will tell it immediately !

they must stop, someone remember the 2001 G8?

I've been shocked from that, like everybody, can't look anymore at one cop with respect or comprension...

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: abeverage

Matt Sera was a head shorter than GSP....your point?

Or are you suggesting if a kid is shorter than a cop he is allowed to attack the officer without the result being forced compliance?

My point is this...He is a CHILD! Not an adult and clearly not a larger CHILD!
No, I am suggesting that as a shorter, weaker 12 year old excessive force (Tazing) was unnecessary.

Children can be unruly certainly, but do we really want to see our PEACE Officers using a Taser on a CHILD? Restraint can be and should be handled without the use of Excessive Force!

a reply to: abeverage

My point is this...He is a CHILD! Not an adult and clearly not a larger CHILD!
No, I am suggesting that as a shorter, weaker 12 year old excessive force (Tazing) was unnecessary.

Children can be unruly certainly, but do we really want to see our PEACE Officers using a Taser on a CHILD? Restraint can be and should be handled without the use of Excessive Force!

The most disturbing thing to me about that is the way it sounds like that officer is deliberately baiting the kid to have an excuse to drop him...that's also one of the main things that makes the video seem staged...it comes off as bad acting. He had to have known he was being filmed; the kid with the camera was not being exactly stealthy about it...so how could he possibly think he was going to get away with forcing a takedown and then, in full view of the camera, repeatedly stun-driving this kid? Did he just decide, knowing that he was being filmed, to "go big or go home"; since he was going to be busted anyway? That is what's got me stymied, personally.

Something else that I found appalling...I read in a few articles on the subject of tasers the specific disclaimer that these weapons are perfectly safe for use on pregnant women. Now why would anyone need to tase a pregnant woman? And on Taser, Intl. they specify that the weapon is safe for use regardless of body mass or age...essentially advocating the use of it in situations just like this one. My uncle says his department has a strict rule that they will not deploy tasers on anyone under the age of 17 (the state age of adulthood), unless there is a clear threat to the safety of others, i.e., brandishing a weapon or attempting to physically assault someone, and in over 30 years of law enforcement he has never seen someone use a device like this on a child. I wonder if this cop's department has any regulations for use on kids...if it doesn't, the fact that the entire incident was not filmed and lack of an age restriction could very well result in him getting away scot-free for this.

a reply to: abeverage

Are you intentionally ignoring the first 30 seconds of the video where you can see the "child" is ON TOP OF the officer? Would you rather he break the kids arm forcing him into the cuffs? How exactly do YOU think this should have been handled? With a firm finger wag and a "I'm telling your mother!"

It puts the cuffs on its wrists or else it gets the taze again.

a reply to: tigertatzen

He only used the taser once. The "second" taze was just an edit using the same voice track from the first taze. The kid was just kicking his feet while being cuffed.

EDIT: Something also to note of the filmer, he intentionally moves the camera away from the altercation so as not to film the kid striking at the officer, then again moves the camera away from the officers hands and focuses on the feet. Notice how it goes out of focus badly there for those two camera moves? I believe the video was cropped and edited as whoever had the video felt they could take the voice track from the first taze and combine it with the kicking feet as well as downplay the kids fight with the officer.

Clearly though you see the kid gets a temporary "mount", if you can even call it that, on the officer at the beginning of the video. It is so far away I think the editor simply missed it.

Another thing thats scary to think about.

What if that cop really isnt a cop.

Maybe hes a kidnapper.

That would be a slick way to abduct a child.

When you hear "call the police!" When the police is already there. There is somthing very very wrong going on.

a reply to: snowen20

Not tht it actually matters to anyone, but I realize that from my apparent defense of the situation, and having mentioned I was formerly law enforcement I can easily be perceived as being "Cop friendly".

I HATE with a passion seeing cops escalating situations with citizens unnecessarily, I equally hate seeing cops pasting crap on my facebook page about how hard it is out there in the streets as a "soldier", when they are far from being a soldier.

It really does matter, because the hateful backlash from others for being objective enough to assess more than one aspect of a situation is deplorable. There are aspects to this story that simply don't add up, and that remains the case, even after more coverage of the incident has been publicized.

I think it's excessive on the face of things, given the limited amount of info that we know from watching the video, for a 12 yr old kid to be dropped and tased....but if he actually did bite that cop prior to the tasing, I can't say I blame the cop for doing what he felt was necessary...human bites can be permanently disfiguring and even lead to amputation or death if an infection ensues; the human mouth is crawling with bacteria and is a vector for communicable disease as well.

If the video was edited, it was done deliberately...and I don't buy the story about the cop confiscating cameras/phones either. I said from the beginning that video looks staged, and it doesn't matter how many times I watch it, that does not change. It sounds like the deputy is deliberately baiting the kid and escalating the situation, just from the audio alone...but then reading eyewitness testimony that the kid was verbally and then physically combative, it is understandable that the cop lost his temper. Yet that is conspicuously absent from both the audio and the video.

Finding out that he was not actually tasing the kid repeatedly and that the video was looped to give that illusion is infuriating, because it is tantamount to a lie...which is not ok...it's a manipulation, and it's wrong. If footage were to surface showing the entirety of the incident and not just the parts that make the cop look like a total jerk and the kid like a poor, misunderstood waif, would everyone still say he is a bad cop? It is also damning that the kid's own mother apologized for his behavior, lending more credence to the idea that maybe this kid isn't quite as helpless and innocent as is being portrayed here.

I wonder if any of these folks have stopped to think that cases like this might actually hurt their anti-cop cause rather than assist it...crying "wolf" is historically a bad idea for a reason. The truth hurts, yes, but the alternative is always far worse in the long run.

a reply to: raymundoko

He only used the taser once. The "second" taze was just an edit using the same voice track from the first taze. The kid was just kicking his feet while being cuffed.

EDIT: Something also to note of the filmer, he intentionally moves the camera away from the altercation so as not to film the kid striking at the officer, then again moves the camera away from the officers hands and focuses on the feet. Notice how it goes out of focus badly there for those two camera moves? I believe the video was cropped and edited as whoever had the video felt they could take the voice track from the first taze and combine it with the kicking feet as well as downplay the kids fight with the officer.

Clearly though you see the kid gets a temporary "mount", if you can even call it that, on the officer at the beginning of the video. It is so far away I think the editor simply missed it.

Ok so my eyes weren't playing tricks after all, then. That's why it looks disjointed and choppy, and probably another reason it looks fake to my brain. And yes, the camera being moved away was obvious as well...yet another thing that made it suspicious...but I decided that it could have just been because it was a kid filming and not knowing what he was doing.

a reply to: galaga

Another thing thats scary to think about.

What if that cop really isnt a cop.

Maybe hes a kidnapper.

That would be a slick way to abduct a child.

When you hear "call the police!" When the police is already there. There is somthing very very wrong going on.

I'm no expert but it would stand to reason that if there are photos of the deputy in uniform and a spokesperson from the sheriff's department is making public statements including him and referring to him as "Deputy", it's safe to say he is most likely not a kidnapper. I would also think most kidnappers would shy away from a camera...it wouldn't be too "slick" to be dumb enough to be caught in the act, loudly and publicly kidnapping a screaming, combative kid in full view of all of his friends, would it?

a reply to: galaga

You can call me all of the above if you want, I fully think the officers actions were justified and am glad he didn't do anything worse than taze the kid. What if he had punched him in the face and broken his nose/jaw? Or broken his arm forcing a cuff on? Or broken some ribs using his body weight to hold him down? In the end he did exactly what he was supposed to do, and if you disagree then please by all means give a reasonable alternative??

If he had done one of the other things people would be begging for him to use his taser...

a reply to: tigertatzen

Yes, the video was HEAVILY edited and even the comments (now disabled and deleted) on the local news had several people pointing out the same things I noticed.

1) There are several identical sound tracks
2) The video was cut and spliced several times
3) The video was cropped/zoomed in at least two places to hide whatever had been recorded

The editing is so bad I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the teenage kids who recorded it using a free video editing software at home to do it.

Ultimately none of the above matters, because you can CLEARLY SEE at the beginning of the video the kid is FIGHTING the officer. This after he apparently bit the officer. The officer was justified in his actions.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: galaga

You can call me all of the above if you want, I fully think the officers actions were justified and am glad he didn't do anything worse than taze the kid. What if he had punched him in the face and broken his nose/jaw? Or broken his arm forcing a cuff on? Or broken some ribs using his body weight to hold him down? In the end he did exactly what he was supposed to do, and if you disagree then please by all means give a reasonable alternative??

If he had done one of the other things people would be begging for him to use his taser...

He's 12 though.

That is all.

a reply to: galaga

And? Did he bite the officer? Did he kick the officer? Did he wrestle with the officer? Yes to all of the above.

Your pathetic use of the kids age does nothing to justify how the kid acted. The officer handled this situation just fine. The kid wasn't hurt and he is in the hands of his mother again.

a reply to: raymundoko

I couldn't see it at first because I kept getting playback errors...just assumed it was my laptop (it needs an old priest and a young priest lol ) but I watched it on my buddy's and yes, I can clearly see what you are talking about now. The saddest thing of all about things like this are that the obfuscation, lies and manipulation are going to cause people to take less seriously the actual cases of police brutality that really do occur out there. I despise the feeling that my emotions have been manipulated like that...my gut told me something wasn't kosher and lo and behold, my gut once again appears to have been correct.