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Nobel Prize Winner Wants Single Sex Labs; Women React

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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 06:49 PM
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Nobel Prize winner, Tim Hunt, a British biochemist and a fellow with the United Kingdom's prestigious Royal Society science body, came under fire for suggesting that men and women shouldn't have to work together in scientific settings because, according to Hunt, "Three things happen when [women] are in the lab: You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticize them, they cry,"

Just because you won a Nobel Prize, that doesn't mean you're smart!


Following a backlash, Hunt went on BBC radio Wednesday morning to say he's "really, really sorry" for offending people but that he was just telling it like it is.

"I did mean the part about having trouble with girls," he said. "I have fallen in love with people in the lab and people in the lab have fallen in love with me and it's very disruptive to the science."


Of course, scientific "girls" have taken to the Twitters and the Internets with some fun and entertaining memes!

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edit on 13-6-2015 by windword because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 07:32 PM
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Eh. not necessary. People on both sides just need to buck up & put their big kid undies on. It's not that hard to do.

Women, though, are often good for the waterworks to get their way on the job. God, I've seen that firsthand as a customer so many times & wanted to slap them silly for it. Stupid emotional manipulation bullcrap. That was my mother's way of getting out of doing tasks she didn't want to do at work, or getting out of being written up for serious mistakes, or going home early. Thanks for proving the stereotype, mom

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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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But then who would boil the kettle and make the tea?
/sarc


Actually, I'd like to know what scientific study & research led him to this theory...

Tim Hunt...

What a dim cu.......


edit on 13-6-2015 by CharlieSpeirs because: Added the /sarc before I'm lambasted.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:20 PM
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"I have fallen in love with people in the lab and people in the lab have fallen in love with me and it's very disruptive to the science."

Flame me to death, but the man has a point.

Is this not why fraternization restrictions are actually common in the workplace? Isn't this the kind of situation where the phrase "don't s# where you eat" finds its best contemporary meaning?

Anyone who has had a relationship begin and, more importantly, end in the workplace knows full well how incredibly disruptive it can be to productivity.

But let's just focus on the whole (constructed) misogynist asshole part. Let's not think about what actually happens in the workplace as the result of slumming around.

I'm not saying I agree with him, I'm just saying the man has a point. And I don't think that point is going to get a fair shake here, or anywhere for that matter.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Well, how far do you want to take it? There are men and women in every conceivable facet of work...does this affect productivity? If so, why haven't the captains of industry attempted to separate them? It's all about chasing the dollar these days.

I don't think it's such a big deal that you need to segregate the sexes lest no work gets done because we're all inflamed with passion all the time; absolute rot and this man is a jerk for suggesting such (as he now realises).

Schools are a different matter because of hormonal teenagers. But there's little passion where I work, trust me.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: CJCrawley

Again, I'm not saying I agree with him. I'm just saying that there is an observable, measurable, and tangible effect on productivity when people in the office start dating...

...which I believe is the only point the guy was trying to make. And it's a valid point, whether you agree with how it's presented or not.

But no one will ever hear the point if it's instantly dismissed as bigotry or simply shouted down into oblivion.

Anyway. I ain't gonna win this one either.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Maybe he fell for someone, came on to her, she rejected him, he made her life a living hell and she cried...

This guy is a silly dill



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: NthOther

Maybe he fell for someone, came on to her, she rejected him, he made her life a living hell and she cried...

This guy is a silly dill


M'eh. At least he knows his limitations. You wouldn't expect a recovering alcoholic to work in a bar.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz

Maybe he fell for someone, came on to her, she rejected him, he made her life a living hell and she cried...

This guy is a silly dill

See? Straight to assumptions about his personal life/history without knowing anything about it, completely side-stepping his point in lieu of a concocted ad hominem attack.

"Don't listen to him, he's a jerk."



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Did you miss the word "Maybe" ?



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Touche.

But I didn't miss "silly dill".



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

well good for you.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Please, I'm not for a second suggesting you are guilty of bigotry...heaven forfend, I get accused of that enough myself. I would strongly defend anyone's right to their views on a site like this, however eccentric they may be.

Okay, there is some truth in your argument. Taken to its logical conclusion yes, if men and women were segregated in the workplace productivity would increase. But by how much?

It's evidently not a problem of such magnitude that governments have attempted, or even suggested, segregation. More to the point, there's no reason to think it's a more pressing issue in science labs than any other facet of work.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: windword

LOL - as soon as I read that I thought of those scientists that Gary larson draws on "The Far Side".......therefore......






"scientist wins nobel prize - still thinks girls are silly and yucky" - LOL silly virgin scientist



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: CJCrawley

Please, I'm not for a second suggesting you are guilty of bigotry...heaven forfend, I get accused of that enough myself. I would strongly defend anyone's right to their views on a site like this, however eccentric they may be.

Thank you for that.

I'm really speaking more to the fact that our society has become so sensitive to even the slightest perceived (and I can't stress that enough) infraction of the PC sphere, that it's starting to be so you can't say anything without someone dismissing you in your entirety based on that single infraction.

I'm just tired of it. Everything the guy worked for, and how will he be remembered?

For that one stupid thing he said. He'll have an unofficial asterisk next to his name in the Nobel rolls because some #socialjusticesoldier got their beaker in a bind.

Tim Hunt*

*misogynist prick
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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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Apparently, Dr Tim Hunt - the nobel prize winning scientist - doesn't understand the logical fallacy of anecdotal evidence...





Yessiree...

Somehow, someway, by some unknown miracle, businesses have *gulp* managed to stay in business pulling in a profit for themselves all these decades. How on earth is any work getting done to meet the quota ?!

Lipstick and boobies and shaved legs.

Oh my !




posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: NthOther


I'm really speaking more to the fact that our society has become so sensitive to even the slightest perceived (and I can't stress that enough) infraction of the PC sphere, that it's starting to be so you can't say anything without someone dismissing you in your entirety based on that single infraction.


Yes I agree, and I'm tired of it too.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: windword

The concern about lab romance may be childish but it's not really offensive.

It's the part about girls crying when criticized that's wrong... how could he possibly think those words belonged anywhere outside of his head? I have thoughts that I know may sound biased about certain things and, you know what? They stay in my head.



posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: windword

Tim Hunt is 72. Did we expect the cutting edge of social progression from people who were born when Germany was retreating from Russian tanks?

Interesting quotes from Hunt and wife:

“I stood up and went mad,” he admits. “I was very nervous and a bit confused but, yes, I made those remarks – which were inexcusable – but I made them in a totally jocular, ironic way. There was some polite applause and that was it, I thought. I thought everything was OK. No one accused me of being a sexist pig.”

Collins clutches her head as Hunt talks. “It was an unbelievably stupid thing to say,” she says. “You can see why it could be taken as offensive if you didn’t know Tim. But really it was just part of his upbringing. He went to a single-sex school in the 1960s. Nevertheless he is not sexist. I am a feminist, and I would not have put up with him if he were sexist.”


Quotes from other scientists:

By the end of the week, however, several female scientists and commentators had written or come forward to defend Hunt, including plant biologist Professor Ottoline Leyser, of Cambridge University and a fellow FRS.

“Tim taught me as an undergraduate and I have known him for years,” she told the Observer. “It is quite clear to me that he is not a sexist in any way. I don’t know why he said those silly things, but the way his remarks have been taken up implies that women in science are having a horrible time. That is not the case. I, for one, am having a wonderful time.”

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Tim has resigned etc ... I don't really feel the need to put insults on the person. My grand parents had some pretty nutty views, and it's well evidenced that as you get older you learn slower etc ... Why politicize the final years of a fairly old person's life? Some of the oldest members of my family have pretty strict ideas about gender and sometimes suspect the Japanese might invade the Western World again. I don't go to their work places and get them fired over it.

I don't think what the person said was right, but people bookmark this thread. Come back when you're 72 and see how many of you have realized you and your opinions don't fit in anymore.

(I sound cranky today sorry, massive head ache.)



posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: windword

Oh dear I can't stop laughing. People are employed because of their brains an d qualifications in laboratory work not a huge pack or cleavage.

This guy needs to get over his own problems that most adults cope with normally, even without the blessings of extra intelligence and possible geek-like tendencies that some of those in specialised work places show.

Sexism should be a thing of the past if you want the best and it would involve increasing costs because of coordinating two labs etc instead of one which runs effectively and efficiently, obviously something he hadn't considered due to be bothered about cleaving and erec-ions and tears - poor man! I see he has daughters I wonder if he would want them discriminated against and put into possibly an inferior position than they deserve due to his problems?



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