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Why do people lie about aliens? An in-depth look at why we can discredit near all stories

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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Ok, I'll bite. What "obvious evidence"?


Check THIS out. It's most interesting.

The evidence is overwhelming that Planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft. In other words, SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. Most are not.




posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: SuspiciousTom

A classic case of denial done to the nth degree. It appears almost daily on ATS in some form of presentation or another. The flaw here and usually elsewhere in these single-minded attempts to deny the whole of UFOs is that the presenter takes one aspect, denial, and runs it into the ground with a self-styled list of reasoning, logic, and for why the phenomena is not self-evident despite the fact that that is exactly the case. They forget one important, logical fact: you can't prove a negative. Not only that, but they attempt to make the case by completely ignoring countless accounts that exactly do the opposite. If people didn't see and equipment didn't record UFOs of one kind or another, there would be no reason to deny the phenomena. So they admit that something is showing itself to us, but in the same breath denying that it exists as it displays itself to be exactly what...it isn't.

Mostly, only two types of people deny UFOs today, a few vocal skeptics that use wholesale denial as a base for their argument and official government policies which by a lack of due diligence by science keeps the topic remain under the table for various reasons.

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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:04 AM
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I generally agree with your theme.
There are a lot of fantasists and poorly educated, paranoid, and/or delusional folks out there.
You have plenty of UFO pictures and videos that are genuine. I've seen plenty myself, I think they are a natural phenomenon and may even possess some form of conscious interaction, think quantum entanglement. Plasma fields ionized by strong magnetic fields along fault lines are the most likely culprit. There are, however, no convincing photo of an "alien"
It is a generation of a collective subconscious and science fiction movies and military disinformation campaigns,
No reason that Aliens don't exist, most likely here as a virus or fungi which could survive the interstellar vacuum.
The travel time among star systems are so immense that you would need teleportation or warp light speeds to make it of any practical use to any beings, and it is not proven that these are possible at this point.
Possible that we very occasionally have visitors, so I would not completely ruling it out, but no concrete evidence, but the odds are against it based on evidence and logic.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom


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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: ColeYounger

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Ok, I'll bite. What "obvious evidence"?


Check THIS out. It's most interesting.

The evidence is overwhelming that Planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft. In other words, SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. Most are not.

Wait...

Didn't you say "obvious evidence?"

Harte



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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Skunkape23 has already said most of what I would type here. He knows what's up, absolutely. Since November of 2011 I've seen things that are so outside of our civilian technology and scientific understanding that, no matter how it's presented, my experiences, along with the others you mentioned, would be interpreted by many folks as lies. I could have the best pics or videos of the things I've seen using the best cameras and you still wouldn't believe they were genuine. What's amusing to me is to read the conclusions some folks come to about why aliens do this or don't do that. Why they send probes or how their superior weapons would wipe us out or the fact that they've traveled light years to come to earth just to mutilate a cow. From my experience, (a) Any logical conclusions you come to regarding the ET subject, using human logic, is ignorant. (b) The more outrageous the story, the more likely it is to be true. (c) Anything is possible... anything. Sadly there are those who are liars. Others mistaken or maybe confused. I'm none of those~ it's as real as you and me...



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:12 AM
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Everyone seems to want to have there 15 min of fame.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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I stopped reading at 'discredit near all stories'.

Uninformed or just spreading disinfo?



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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Ahh, I see where some people have gotten me completely wrong, but that lies in my usage of words. I don't argue in absolutes, or well I don't like to unless there is direct proof. I do believe there's life out there, but simply ponder what it is that have some people blatantly lie. Some stories you read are easily called out as fabricated based on their own readings on aliens.

As well as, most of these large nations have underground projects, it's how you prepare for war. You can't have all your secrets on the table. To see the F-35 being sold, you must believe they have something far superior to it hidden. Now, to have people call a secret spacecraft of the military to be of alien origins that's something they'd be glad to hear. Why? Cause the general public will see you as 'bonkers' and their device is still kept a secret. Also claiming they are unaccounted for serves for good purpose.

People tend to not look at the science advancements we're making today. Sure Einstein and all those guys did some great stuff, but at this point in time our technology is literally limited by the money allowed, allow nasa 300 Billion and then see where we are in 2-3 years. So as i've said, I do believe there's life out there and sure you might have seen a 'UFO'(Unidentified Flying Object) but all this is to say: Don't underestimate your own kind.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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For those of us who have had certain personal experiences, just browsing some of these threads is an insult to our intelligence. It's no wonder that more people in the know don't come forward to discuss the subject.

But that's really the purpose of threads like this one in the first place, isn't it?




posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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I'm going to repeat what I wrote on another thread. Skeptics also get abducted, thank God for that. But they don't get to remember.

As for us experiencers, my family sightings were shared, even with a friend of the family. My older son called us out for some of the sightings. Thank God I didn't have a working camera, nor keep the current one glued to my fingers to catch something. I would never want to go through the disgusting ordeal of posting something that is just supportive of my testimony, though the camera would never show more than a white or whitish yellow or reddish orb, though its plane size or bigger, and we had black triangle exotic earth craft show up to monitor it, black choppers show up to chase it, pairs of "scout"planes come over the end of the town house off the reservation, and just fly around out back, then leave while 2 more came, for 2 days in a row, with a black triangle joining them the second day, after I was writing to online friends, who had military background, about "in house" monitoring by "Cosmic Friends"

Lifelong at that, would take a pdf to go through all the events. Missing time. Greys seen by kids at windows and door. Rose colored twiggy grey at door night of ufo dream and abduction where I was told this day took 9 days to complete, and my son said he felt like he was just dropped off, the whole room shook, when I raced downstairs, but before I could open my mouth. He had missing time while up on several occasions as well and told me about being shown things on a viewing screen, past and future events and called that group MIB's as they were big chested men in black uniforms.

And I have memories too.

There are projects going on the Moon, Mars and throughout our Solar System and some of it involves our own Space Program, the Black Op Corporate Forces, Rockerfeller, Bush Sr., Kissinger, and some very dark hats deeply involved.
The sciences they're employing are probably thousands of years ahead of ours, because once you get into Scalar, Cavitation, EU and Tesla/Russell, etc, the real science, it just goes fast.

I can tell you there are transport tubes on the moon and into craters and negatives, black ops, what I call nazi's , US Navy, and various ETs on the moon, and groups of kids are taken there, whole families.

But despite all this "soul trap" information I've come across, and negatives from Saturn and the like, there were also very positive ETs working with them, upgrading our planet, way over their heads, intervening when something dangerous happened, and at the time didn't really know what was going on just had these odd dreams of being in danger, dad arguing with nazi's and something intervening.

So, was shown "layers", our layer, black ops, negative or predatory type ET layer, and much higher layers ultimately over everyone's head including Saturn.

Why do people write about their experiences, and some of those are alarming and fearful, some are messages and they were given to remember something far more positive:

To wake people up. This issue is outrageous. The technology that is hidden from the world, that could free this planet is in the hands of extremely psychopathic genocidal maniacs.

And they're not going to win in silencing us.

Time to wake the hell up.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

Here is one of my favorite cases:

www.ufocasebook.com...

Yes, not all stories are lies.

Some are simply mistakes:
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Harte


You're correct, but citing CSICOP? I sincerely laugh everytime I read the classic cases, like the Pascagoula incident.

Take a look what they claim over the famous secret recording made by the police:

Interestingly, when the two men were left alone in a room at the sheriff’s office, where they were secretly tape recorded (Clark 1998, 716), they did not make incriminating statements as they might have if perpetrating a hoax but acted more like people comparing notes to see if they were in agreement with each other.

So they purposedly ignore the fact that WE can also HEAR, and what WE hear is two men who are STILL in shock. Of course they're comparing notes, but NO to reinforce the other's version, they're just trying to get ANY sense of an experience that obviously is way beyond they can handle.

Regarding on how they can 'explain' the experience, they say:

the two men, who might have been drinking before the incident (as Hickson admitted he was after), might have dozed off. Hickson could then have entered a hypnagogic (“waking dream”) state, a trancelike condition between waking and sleeping in which some people experience hallucinations, often with bizarre imagery, including strange beings (aliens, ghosts, etc.). This state may be accompanied by what is called “sleep paralysis” (the body’s inability to move due to still being in the sleep mode). In fact, Hickson not only reported the bizarre imagery but also said that the aliens “paralyzed” him before carrying him aboard the UFO in what sounds like a hypnagogic fantasy.

I invite all of you to read the witnesses testimony, and with a hand on your heart, sincerely, tell me that you believe the above explanation. CSICOP is mocking on the people. They honestly believe we're stupid. They're as bad as the very hoaxers.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: DogMeat
Exactly. You got it.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: Harte


In summary, allowing for the heightened expectation prompted by the earlier “flying-saucer” sighting, and for the effects of excitement and nighttime viewing, it seems likely that the famous 1955 Kelly incident is easily explained by a meteor and a pair of territorial owls.


Yeah, because this back-woods family wouldn't know what owls look like. And when you shoot owls, it sounds like you're "hitting the center of a metal bucket." And an owl can't sit on a roof and grab somebody's hair.

I'm sorry, but trying to explain this away as a pair of owls makes as much sense as the "escaped carnival monkeys in silver suits" explanation. When you take all the details into account, there is no real possibility of mis-identification.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: htapath
For those of us who have had certain personal experiences, just browsing some of these threads is an insult to our intelligence. It's no wonder that more people in the know don't come forward to discuss the subject.

But that's really the purpose of threads like this one in the first place, isn't it?



And wanna know what? While there's incredibly STILL people that won't accept the obvious truth behind the phenomena, that is, it involves the presence of 'alien' species, in several secret locations there is people hired for the military and intelligence agencies doing serious research about it. Of course it's an insult, but what can you do? It's up to them to wake the # up at some point.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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Are you kidding, who wants to be called crazy all of their life just so they can feel special.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: htapath
For those of us who have had certain personal experiences, just browsing some of these threads is an insult to our intelligence. It's no wonder that more people in the know don't come forward to discuss the subject.

But that's really the purpose of threads like this one in the first place, isn't it?



originally posted by: JackHill
And wanna know what? While there's incredibly STILL people that won't accept the obvious truth behind the phenomena, that is, it involves the presence of 'alien' species, in several secret locations there is people hired for the military and intelligence agencies doing serious research about it. Of course it's an insult, but what can you do? It's up to them to wake the # up at some point.


You guys need to get it together, this isn't to "insult" you nor tell you that you are wrong about YOUR experience, the topic said 'near all' it never said all. To first take something as an insult rather than to try and look at it from the perspective of a person that has not had an encounter is rather arrogant. People exist people have mental conditions, I'm from Jamaica the vast amount of people here that claim they've seen ghosts and whatnot, it's impressive.

Ghost theory and Alien theory and God theory is practically the same, only a select few claim that we should forcefully believe and we're in denial. Not to mention the heavy effects sleep paralysis can have on a person. So don't come saying I'm here to insult or offend, share your experiences if you may. Many of us here will listen to it, I read all stories I see and then from time to time compare them with each other, I don't discredit all stories but as you can see MOST major stories have been discredited. For me personally my greatest plight is the pyramids which I honestly don't believe was built by the people of that time because of what seems to have been technology far superior to that time.

Also, not to mention that our 'memory' isn't perfect. We all suffer from false memories from time to time. It's an insult to say if someone speaks their mind they are trying to insult you.

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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: Harte


In summary, allowing for the heightened expectation prompted by the earlier “flying-saucer” sighting, and for the effects of excitement and nighttime viewing, it seems likely that the famous 1955 Kelly incident is easily explained by a meteor and a pair of territorial owls.


Yeah, because this back-woods family wouldn't know what owls look like. And when you shoot owls, it sounds like you're "hitting the center of a metal bucket." And an owl can't sit on a roof and grab somebody's hair.

You assume here, then, that they could not be mistaken.

On what do you base this assumption?

Harte



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: htapath
For those of us who have had certain personal experiences, just browsing some of these threads is an insult to our intelligence. It's no wonder that more people in the know don't come forward to discuss the subject.

But that's really the purpose of threads like this one in the first place, isn't it?



originally posted by: JackHill
And wanna know what? While there's incredibly STILL people that won't accept the obvious truth behind the phenomena, that is, it involves the presence of 'alien' species, in several secret locations there is people hired for the military and intelligence agencies doing serious research about it. Of course it's an insult, but what can you do? It's up to them to wake the # up at some point.


You guys need to get it together, this isn't to "insult" you nor tell you that you are wrong about YOUR experience, the topic said 'near all' it never said all. To first take something as an insult rather than to try and look at it from the perspective of a person that has not had an encounter is rather arrogant. People exist people have mental conditions, I'm from Jamaica the vast amount of people here that claim they've seen ghosts and whatnot, it's impressive.

Ghost theory and Alien theory and God theory is practically the same, only a select few claim that we should forcefully believe and we're in denial. Not to mention the heavy effects sleep paralysis can have on a person. So don't come saying I'm here to insult or offend, share your experiences if you may. Many of us here will listen to it, I read all stories I see and then from time to time compare them with each other, I don't discredit all stories but as you can see MOST major stories have been discredited. For me personally my greatest plight is the pyramids which I honestly don't believe was built by the people of that time because of what seems to have been technology far superior to that time.

Also, not to mention that our 'memory' isn't perfect. We all suffer from false memories from time to time. It's an insult to say if someone speaks their mind they are trying to insult you.


I've shared my sightings, encounters, and much more here on ATS.

The general consensus here is to make blanket statements concerning these phenomena, and the OP of this thread is no different.

Some of my experiences were shared by friends and acquaintances, so good luck convincing me they didn't actually happen.

Unless you know unequivocally that any particular sighting or encounter is false, it's really arrogant to make blanket statements pertaining to something about which you know nothing.

That is all.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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Sure many people lie about aliens,

but some others might just misconceive various phenomena they happened to witness, I can't call those people liars.

Although I think if these people just didn't jump to conclusions, as to what they think they saw. They would sound much

more credible...

Ufo's are just mysterious things in the sky, and not a proof of extraterrestrials.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Harte

You assume here, then, that they could not be mistaken.

On what do you base this assumption?

Harte


The fact that they all describe the same thing. The drawings of the creatures are basically identical. If they were mis-identifying something, say an owl or a monkey, somebody out of that group would would have a description that might closely match an owl or a monkey. In fact, with half a dozen people sharing this experience over the course of a few hours, I would expect someone to say, "It might have been an owl, I saw wings."

I could believe one or two making a mistaken identification in a short time period. But I find it hard to believe that many people could make the exact same mistake over the course of a few hours.




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