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Originally posted by Teh_Gerbil
So your are saying that practically enslaving people in sweatshops abroad to avoid human rights issues at home is good? You'd probably like to see the "Leftist" Human rights in America removed, wouldn't you, so you could do this at home?
Cleaing up "Leftist" stuff abroad by overthrowing right-wing Saddam eh? And the Taliban who were also Right wing? Gimme a break, you must be stupid or ignorant. Or both.
Guys, we are wasting our time here im afraid. :sigh:
Originally posted by OXmanK
Sorry, sleeper...the only thing socialist about Hitler was the disguise he ran under...try again...
And your argument is truly absurd. That policy that helps "feed those other people" are typically left wing ideas. You know, that whole giving people something for nothing...
Originally posted by General Zapata
Originally posted by sleeper
Hitler confiscated all the means of productions----Socialism.
GAH! will the incorrect labelling never end? *tears out hair*
under socialism, true socialism, the PEOPLE own the means of production EQUALLY, not the government. The government forcibly takes it from the previous owners (the capitalists) and gives each person their equal portion. The government is only required in the early stages of the revolution to make sure that the transition is smooth. After that, ideally, it will be done away with to be replaced with soviets (workers' councils).
what you are describing is fascism.
Originally posted by enlightenment
Originally posted by sleeper
America who stopped Hitler-----did so with all the means of production in private hands----Capitalism.
An education in U.S. history: the United States, was not a capitalist economy during WW2, but rather a planned economy. Ever learn about the ration stamps?
In the 'free world' at the time, there was a great economic ideological battle occuring. When all was said and done, Keynes won and the macro economy looked like it'd have more 'controllers'.
Further more, sleeper, your inciting tag lines and black/white, right/left views only show your lack of intellectuality. Does the propaganda you spew come from the tube box?
The 'right' is not always right, and the 'left' is not always wrong; things are not a clear as night and day. The grey area is a tough thing for some to admit.
Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
Originally posted by Teh_Gerbil
If I were schooled? Just so you know, I was rated in the top 25%... So sush, and owning a country is not a leftish ideology, that would be the PEOPLE owning the country.
Im sorry, this is like listening to Bush try to pronounce Abu Graib in his first speach mentioning it. You don't know WHAT your talking about, and probably jsut read some Regan anti-commie stuff. Hence, I head to the left, and I am going to try countering you now with some of Stalin's quotes:
Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
True, it would seem the Righties have educated you in a corrupt system so you hate commies, quite apparent by your neo-Nazi spiel.
You have been brought up to think as such, as therefore hate anything leftist. Hence he was right. End. Stalin pwns Regan!
When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
And they probably would...
But you see my point? Ignorance is obviously bliss to you, and shall be your death. And when it is, I shall only have pity left you.
Originally posted by sleeper
Now you got me way down on your level, but if that's what it takes to communicate with lefties so be it.
Originally posted by sleeper
And you believe in the tooth fairy?
Originally posted by Chris McGee
Something in support of Sleeper's position:
www.strom.clemson.edu...
blogs.salon.com...
www.gmu.edu...
Disclaimer: Views expressed in links are not necessarily my own
[edit on 27-12-2004 by Chris McGee]
Originally posted by sleeper
Bring light into the dark emptiness of the left-----is blinding to those who lived in the leftwing cave all their lives.
Good thing there are plenty of people who know the real truth----not the leftwing diversion of truth.