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Toba emitting hot steam and gas fumes

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posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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Hey PM!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention as it seems like a valid concern, at least one to keep an eye on.

I have read the locals are feeling the floors in their home heat up as well as other oddities.


According to a report by the Indonesian news site Merdeka, villagers of Sitoluama, in the District of Laguboti, Toba Samosir, noticed on Wednesday, May 27, that ceramic floors in their homes were feeling hot under their feet and that hot steam and smelly gas were coming out of the ground.

A resident of the area, Purasa Silalahi, told local reporters on Saturday, May 30, that he noticed vapors in his house about ten kilometers from Balige, Toba Samosir regency capital.

“Hot steam and gas was coming out of the pores of the soil it is feared to threaten the safety of people around, so we report them to the government.”
www.inquisitr.com... ago/




posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: PuterMan
a reply to: Vasa Croe


that it would be when there is a large uplift in the area or something of that nature?


There already is large uplift in the form of the dome, however yes a change in uplift velocity would be an indicator. More likely indicator would be volcanic tremor which can last from minutes to days and would probably be caused by magma on the move, or by steam escaping and secondly the appearance and/or increase of long period earthquakes - see here for an explanation of the two earthquake types at a volcano.


Thanks for the info and link. From your link it says:



Earthquakes produced by stress changes in solid rock due to the injection or withdrawal of magma (molton rock) are called volcano-tectonic earthquakes (Chouet, 1993). These earthquakes can cause land to subside and can produce large ground cracks.


Is this the most likely thing to occur as the area seems to be mostly solid rock around it?

If so, and if these cracks start appearing, does that mean RUN?

Personally I am not worried about it as whatever happens, happens and there is nothing I can do. I am just wondering about the people in the immediate area. As far as I have ever seen, there doesn't seem to be much warning from the time evac is ordered to the eruption. From what you have said about this one, it would seem that even an evac wouldn't do much good unless you could get them to the opposite side of the world.....and even then it would only be a matter of time.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Yeah, probably no warning....



Now, however, an international team of researchers has concluded that a supervolcano can erupt at any time simply because of its massive size, without any outside trigger, making such cataclysmic eruptions both less predictable and more likely to occur.


The locals noticing changes beneath the ground makes me wonder if it is going to burp or throw up. lol



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Im no prophet, just look into the stars like my ancestors did.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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Well, at least PuterMan titled the thread more appropriately. As I said in the other thread, I monitor a live seismic feed from Toba pretty much every day and there has been nothing going on there seismically. Dead quiet really.

If we were to compare Toba to Yellowstone, note that in Yellowstone over the years they have had different episodes of both heat increases and decreases, as well as gas emissions and uplift/subsidence too, all in different areas of the park- and obviously it still has not erupted. And at Yellowstone there is considerable seismicity on top of all that.

So if there is a localized heating/emission episode at Toba, that's probably all it is, and will probably come and go like at other active calderas.

A huge gas emission increase would probably be reasonable to expect if a supervolcano were about to erupt. Think about it. You have a mega huge magma chamber fed by a plume from below that. That vast quantity of magma would most surely give some emission signs, as well as seismic and ground deformation signs, if it were on the move.

However, and I stress, HOWEVER, as PM said, we've never seen one erupt. So we don't know exactly WHAT all the signs will be. If all of sudden Toba starts getting some above 3.5 quakes in the caldera, in combination with emissions, then it's time to get scared. Of course we've had all of this at YS before, and even worse, including long period events at Long Valley, so even then it may STILL mean nothing.

All we can do is watch. And pray- if you think prayers might help.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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Hi Puters...*waves* nice to see you again.
I have to admit this is the one more than Yellowstone that has always had me worried



Jane



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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If the guys that want the population down to 500,000,000 for the NWO wanted to get it started they could just drop a big nuke down a super volcano. I'm sure that would do.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: Temudjin
a reply to: Xeven

Disagree Humans should never leave this solarsystem, parasites among the universe isnt a fantastic scenario.


right? I mean look what we're doing to THIS place. we deserve to be wiped out



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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Nice space hijack on a volcano thread. Y'all done yet?

Moving back to the actual topic, I'm inclined to agree with the suggestion that it's not indicative of anything urgent. A previous thread talked about the increasing venting & heat at Toba, but it seems not that much has changed, really. I'd have expected a significant uptick in activity, new fissures, etc if we were looking at any impending doom. Granted, we don't have any real modern experience in deciphering how a supervolcano ticks, it still would stand to reason that it doesn't go from 0 to mach 3 in just a few weeks' time. We'd be getting clear heads-up one way or the other, not guessing with steam.

Still worth keeping an eye on. You don't learn if you don't observe.
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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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If a certain country wants to end the world, then yes, they can just aim their nukes at the supervolcanoes. This is why Japan needs to simply disclose. Japan sits right next to one, and I don't even know if these guys will disable a nuke, if it's aimed at a supervolcano.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

And can you prove that Bashar is lying? There's an easy way to test this, but of course, no country would even dare. But ever wonder if the Iron Dome System's success rate has supposedly improved to 85%, and yet, ICBMs can't even work? In theory, if the U.S can develop an ICBM defense system where the success rate is 85%+, then they would win.

www.extremetech.com...

Unfortunately, now the three superpowers will try to spend and squeeze each other even more(the U.S keep trying to develop missile defense, China and Russia keep developing and deploying more nukes. However, the U.S would have to deploy them at the supervolcanoes also, otherwise, there's no guarantee), and everybody else will suffer. Abe and Obama, if you know something, then you've really really just gotta say it.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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oh boy, that is NOT GOOD . ill go googleing happy and see what i can find to add to it . in the mean time i created this thread a few years ago.

Im sorry that im adding it here ..

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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Hey PuterMan!


You would think...given that this is likely THE biggest natural disaster threat to the planet (other than an outside force), that it would be closely monitored and that we wouldn't be relying on a second-hand, poorly translated report of heated floors and gas smells.

I mean come on. I would like to believe that there would be something more reliable than this, if it were in fact showing any unusual signs.....wouldn't there?



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: bottleslingguy

Balance, stop placing humans as God over the earth and justify instincts and call it a western lifestyle. I'm with the Georgia guide stones



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 04:09 AM
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Is this the most likely thing to occur as the area seems to be mostly solid rock around it? If so, and if these cracks start appearing, does that mean RUN? Personally I am not worried about it as whatever happens, happens and there is nothing I can do. I am just wondering about the people in the immediate area. As far as I have ever seen, there doesn't seem to be much warning from the time evac is ordered to the eruption. From what you have said about this one, it would seem that even an evac wouldn't do much good unless you could get them to the opposite side of the world.....and even then it would only be a matter of time.


The island in the lake is the dome. This is considerably bigger than say the dome on Mt St Helens (2004) but interestingly the Toba dome does not appear in the list of domes on Wikipedia, perhaps because it is so big that no one thinks of it as a dome.



Let's face it if cracks start appearing on a dome that size then removing oneself from the area with great speed would probably be a sensible suggestion. We just don't know how this one would present. Would it give plenty of warning or go boom bad-a-bing bada boom all of a suddenly?

I should look it up but I think Toba is just above the equator so the safer place to be would be in the Southern Hemisphere - South Island of New Zealand here we come - or a nice long stay holiday in Antarctica perhaps. This is because it is not so easy for winds to cross over the equatorial divide - something which applies to ocean currents as well. Of course eventually it would but you may get an extension on life fighting off everyone else and slowly starving before you eventually succumb.

Always maintain enough meds for an exit strategy!! At my age I don't really relish fighting the younger men for scraps of food and an exit on cloud 9 is infinitely preferable to slow starvation.

Doom porn - dontcha love it



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: ffx6554

Ladies and Gentlemen, being a bit of a pacifist (I will kill anyone who says otherwise) can we please try and restrict the thread to the topic in hand?

Much appreciated if people could manage this.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 04:21 AM
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a reply to: westcoast

Hi Westcoast. Maybe it is (1) the threat is not perceived as such or (2) funding is not available.

Scientists are not conspiracy site readers on the whole and do not always consider all possibilities especially in this age of 'consensus' where science has been hijacked by social mores (The common ideas, conventions, or customs of a particular society or social group.)

In my humble opinion the scientists should always question everything and the science is never settled This seems to be the polar opposite of modern scientific thinking (or lack of thinking in reality).
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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: westcoast
You would think...given that this is likely THE biggest natural disaster threat to the planet (other than an outside force), that it would be closely monitored...


It is closely monitored... At least by me, and no doubt by many scientists around the world. Each and every day, including spectrograph inspections of seismic data regularly. That thing even THINKS about starting up a seismic swarm and there will be a thread about it immediately.

But even with that, let us not forget the recent hypothesis on magma buoyancy being a likely trigger for eruptions at mega calderas like Toba and Yellowstone. And if you all saw my recent thread on evidence discovered not long ago that deep magma came up quickly at Yellowstone, it does make me wonder if regular volcanic precursors may be out the window and may not apply so much to these monsters. They are just too big. If a magma buoyancy threshold is crossed way down deep, beyond our ability to detect it, it could just explode with little surface evidence of what is coming from way down there. Pressure could build over such a large area that surface signs may be minimal- or at least- not much more than the 1,400 feet of uplift already present at Samosir!

Samosir Island, one of two resurgent domes at Toba, is over 240 square miles in area, and over 1,400 feet high. it measures about 45 x 18 km! Now think about that. That's just the size of ONE resurgent lava dome of this beast! The overall size of the entire volcano is just plain mind boggling. The uplifted Samosir Island is already formidable warning indeed. But it could still take another several hundred thousand years before it is fully ripe and ready. Then again, it might not.



posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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Man, have i fallen behind on this stuff. I d like to ask a question or two, since Sinabung has erupted a few times in the past couple of weeks, and shes only 35 Km from Lake Toba . taking into account the location, think under the ground and under the seabed is it possible that these two volcanoes are connected somehow and could Sinabung trigger a larger eruption say within 3 years or so , or sooner an eruption of any magnatude at Toba ?
we had that 9.2 earthquake a decade ago a bunch of signifiant quakes in the general 400 km or so area on , near and around the whole northern part of the island . we cant rule out an eruption at Toba, in our lifetime .

Now as you know because i believe i have discussed this before , I`m psychic and my visions come to me in my dreams, ive dreamed of massive volcanic eruptions before , numerous times. and i cant deny these senses and feelings of mine that something that will change mankind as a race is coming and i suspect a natural disaster . not a man made one .
i always thought it would be Yellowstone that would blow her top before Toba but what if Toba is more calreaicly active then Yellowstone? everyone feels it yet most of them are in denial and go about their daily lives .

call me crazy but Im not stupid and i know what my senses are telling me . I hope things go on as they have for the past 200 years or so. and mankind will be around longer then we expect , however as a race we know our time here is limited . weather is happens in our lifetime or within the next 2000 years . we can not go on as a race as we have been. mothernature will set her body so to speak right, she has to.
with that being said . lets try to make a better place for our children and their kids to live in .
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posted on Jun, 13 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: Temudjin

I agree we should'nt have to leave this planet, and it's being watched over any way and they have so much advanced technology they could clean this planet up and its oceans too so don't worry about that earth is safe and so too is the population when the time comes although it's going to be a rocky ride for a while, I have been told that the pole shift is not going to happen so we can stop worrying about that one and as for the propaganda BS on the 2.5 mile commet that's going to hit in September this is a false flag for whatever is going to happen they are up to something we'll just have to wait and see won't we


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