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originally posted by: JIMC5499
originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: paraphi
Japan was at war with China.
And the Soviet Union
The Soviet Union didn't declare war on Japan until 1945.
The Battle of Lake Khasan (July 29, 1938 – August 11, 1938) and also known as the Changkufeng Incident (Chinese: 张鼓峰事件; pinyin: Zhānggǔfēng Shìjiàn, Japanese pronunciation: Chōkohō Jiken) in China and Japan, was an attempted military incursion from Manchukuo (by the Japanese) into territory claimed by the Soviet Union. This incursion was founded in the belief of the Japanese side that the Soviet Union misinterpreted the demarcation of the boundary based on the Convention of Peking treaty between Imperial Russia and the former Qing-Dynasty China
originally posted by: nwtrucker
From my understanding, we had broken their codes.
The Twenty-One Demands (Japanese: 対華21ヶ条要求, Taika Nijūikkajō Yōkyū, simplified Chinese: 二十一条; traditional Chinese: 二十一條; pinyin: Èrshíyī tiáo) were a set of demands made during the First World War by the Empire of Japan under Prime Minister Ōkuma Shigenobu sent to the weak government of the Republic of China on January 18, 1915. The demands would greatly extend Japanese control of Manchuria and of the Chinese economy, and were opposed by Britain and the United States. In the final settlement Japan gained a little but lost a great deal of prestige and trust in Britain and the US.
On 2 September 1914, Japanese forces landed on China's Shandong province and surrounded the German settlement at Tsingtao (Qingdao). During October, acting virtually independently of the civil government, the Imperial Japanese Navy seized several of Germany's island colonies in the Pacific - the Mariana, Caroline, and Marshall Islands
originally posted by: ISawItFirst
a reply to: MrSpad
Let's see, how many admirals had to be fired or reassigned because they would not leave the Pacific fleet defenseless in PH. At least two.
The admiral who did was court marshalled. He was eventually exonerated years later in a little publicized court case.
I think out mates down under gave us a very accurate description of what was coming our way and when it would get here.
There is copious official documentation that supports the instigation, baiting, and foreknowledge of the attack.
Maybe if I get to PC I'll link some.
originally posted by: vonclod
I wonder what would of happened if the Japanese spotter noticed the carriers were not in harbour?
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: MrSpad
There were some, in both navies, who had discarded that thinking.
Minoru Genda who planned the attack.
Mitsudo Fuchida who led the attacks first wave.
...and a host of others.
Oddly enough, the Admiral who led the strike force Vice Adm. Chuichi Nagumo was among the least air minded of the IJN high command.
Bill Halsey who commanded one of the three US carrier task forces was extremely air minded, as was Jack Fletcher who commanded another one.
Another oddity, Raymond Spruance who later made his bones commanding fifth fleet during the Mariana's campaign, was considered to be a black-shoe admiral, who favored the big gunned battleships.
So in both navies, carrier aviation was beginning to gain acceptance, though it was still very much a red-headed stepchild.
I love these threads...
Still would cool to have on of those things in the fleet.