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Fascists or Nazis?

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posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 01:03 PM
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I was wondering, are there any people on ATS who openly admit to being supporters of Facist or Nazi parties (no Republican bashing as their not nazis).

In modern society, those who support fascist or nazi idealogy are seen as evil, are there any extreme right wingers out there who are willing to admit they support such parties?




posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 01:32 PM
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Some of my views in politics have been seen as "extreme" and im openly against Zionism, my RE teacher called me a "nazi" when i wrote an essay on how Zionism was a curse that should be wiped out and that Israel should not exist. Im proud of my country and its past, so thats makes me a nationalist, but i couldnt care less about race. My ideology is not based on fascism or national socialism.

I have friends who are members of the BNP, National Front and friends who have extreme Islamic views.


[edit on 24-12-2004 by infinite]



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
I have friends who are members of the BNP, National Front and friends who have extreme Islamic views.


I'm guessing the NF and Islamic extremists aren't friends



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by UK Wizard
I'm guessing the NF and Islamic extremists aren't friends


lmfao
lets just say that they are not exchanging christmas cards this year



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 05:34 PM
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Well though I now consider myself a moderate Libertarian, a friend called my views on crime and crime control "facist" and some of my other views on foreign policy were called facist by a few.

Though someone I know is a facist Islamic extremist, and boy do I stress that last part. Would'nt be surprised if the good 'ole CIA will be on his ass some day.



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 12:34 PM
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I doubt there is anyone openly in support of Fascism or Naziism, at least in the Western World. They are merely self-serving political idealogies. Though, I think there is a lot of this in government, I doubt anyone would be open about it.

It's all a game to the politicians anyway...



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 08:48 PM
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Their are plenty of open supporters in the western world.

Islamic Extremism is their own kind-of strain of Facism really, just with Islamic elements instead of Catholic elements.

Nazi's don't really follow any religion, they just want to creat a world dominant Arian race. Check out www.n9s.org.uk (maybe leave of UK, i can't remember.) For a UK party.



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 08:48 PM
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Their are plenty of open supporters in the western world.

Islamic Extremism is their own kind-of strain of Facism really, just with Islamic elements instead of Catholic elements.

Nazi's don't really follow any religion, they just want to creat a world dominant Arian race. Check out www.n9s.org.uk (maybe leave of UK, i can't remember.) For a UK party.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 08:36 PM
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while I see your point, I'm going to have to call you on something, Gerbil: Fascism, as we know it, is defined by a set of characteristics found in fascist systems. While adherence to a particular religion may be a feature of nationalism, it is not directly a feature of the fascist state. Therefore, I do not believe that islamic jihadis are attempting to bring about a fascist system, but a fundamental islamic one. True, fundamentalist islam shares some common attributes with fascism, such as the subjugation of groups of people in society (ie women). However, fundamentalist Islam does not allow the means of production to belong to the state. The state is seen as at best a distraction, and at worst a threat to the rule of Islamic law. Therefore, I do not think that Fascism and Islamic fundamentalism are the same thing.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 06:53 AM
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I think that people who say they'd vote for say the BNP are not really true believers of the idealogy, they only support the fascist style party because of single issues such as immigration or law and order.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 02:27 AM
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I'm a senior officer the the New Zealand National Front, a far-right nationalist party in New Zealand. www.nationalfront.org.nz...

Our policies against immigration & liberalism is sure to draw support from Neo-Nazi skinheads, and I think thats one reason why extreme Nationalist parties like ours, the BNP or French NF; although not National Socialist - may appear Neo-Nazi.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Molloy XX
I'm a senior officer the the New Zealand National Front, a far-right nationalist party in New Zealand. www.nationalfront.org.nz...

Our policies against immigration & liberalism is sure to draw support from Neo-Nazi skinheads, and I think thats one reason why extreme Nationalist parties like ours, the BNP or French NF; although not National Socialist - may appear Neo-Nazi.


So do you support the actions of Nazi Germany?



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 04:21 PM
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Up to the point when the 3rd Reich invaded other sovereign nations, and killed millions of innocents.

Let me just put it this way, if Adolf Hitler was subject to an assasination attempt in 1938, there would be statues built in his honor, and streetcorners named after him today in Germany. He was a national hero, and loved by the people. I think it's fair to say that he was the architect of his own demise. There is no doubting some of his deeds were evil to the highest degree, but we must not only focus on the negative aspects of his character, but also see the good he left behind, the autobahns for example.



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posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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He was a national hero, and loved by the people


Common propaganda, he was supported by loyal supporters but not on the scale that is normally refered to...an example is when he came into power at every major speech normal members of the population were put on Buses and taken to the event whether they supported him or not.
Another is how SA squads were posted outside voting booths to pressure voters into voting for the Nazi party.



but we must not only focus on the negative aspects


But there are so many negative aspects, the good ones are dwarfed on a massive scale.



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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that really is sad molloy, youd actually let only his small good things shine over the catastrophic vacuuming of innocent people..



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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Hitler was hailed as saving the German economy after the fall of the Weimar Republic, but he did alot of this by stealing the money of the wealthy German Jewish firms. The only good he did was create Volkswagen and the autobahn system. These 2 things are, like others have already said, dwarfed completely by the murderous slaughter of millions of innocents. He is/was and always shall be one the most vile men to have ever walked the planet.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Had Hitler won, I don't think he would be viewed as evil as he is now.

Just to put this in perspective, suppose a pro-life country invades and takes over the U.S. and writes about the massive slaughtering of innocent lives that the United States did and allowed (a number I'm sure they could inflate to dwarf Hitler's numbers). Ex. Some estimate the abortions in the US from1973 to 1998 is around 38,010,378.

Isn't it interesting how ideology shapes moral notions such as "good" and "evil?"

Now compare: In the Nazi 25 points, they directly called the Jewish people evil. Later, they went on to exterminate evil. The US today calls some nations the "Axis of Evil," and we went on to exterminate evil.

But... isn't it a good thing to stomp out evil? Sure, if we can all agree what evil is. Is it the Jews? The militant islamists? Christian Protestants? Nazis and the SS? The Romans? The Germans? People who abort babies? The death penalty? ... ad infinitum.

Good luck agreeing.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by observer
autobahn system.


The autobahns weren't even Hitlers idea, Weimar thought of the idea before and he simply nicked the idea as his own.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
Israel should not exist.
[edit on 24-12-2004 by infinite]


Im glad its not on your hands to decide who should exist or not.... the sentece itself "..should exist or not..." makes me



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Im glad its not on your hands to decide who should exist or not.... the sentece itself "..should exist or not..." makes me


i was 15 at the time, but now i dont agree with my past views about Zionism,etc. Zionism still leaves me bitter, but Israel does have a right to exist.



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