(EXPERTS)What Does the Black Monolith Mean?

The Muslims worship it !

But most disturbing; they plan to put a very large one (Black Monolith) at the twin towers site!!!!!?????

Isn't anyone going to protest about having the symbol of the very Muslim god, at the site where these Muslem terrorists killed 3000 inocent at the world trade center??

We know at the U.N. prayer room there is also a black Monolith!! Is that really the symbol that is going to represent the world god??

We know that Lucifer means the Illuminated one, by which we get the Illuminati; those that serve him ! They serve Lucifer but also believe that there is another God, Adoni!

They believe the ying yang theory appearently, correct me if I'm wrong, that Darkness needs light , and Light, Darkness ! You see in their symbols, the god that is light and it's reflection that is dark, so which god do they think they serve?

It seems that they know it is the dark reflection, if the black monolith is the symbol they are choosing !

I remember the Movie 2001 and 2010, which clearly represents this monolith as a god, but then Saturn was to be the birthing place of this monolith, and became a second sun !

The Greeks called Saturn "Kronos,"which is almost the same as their word for time (Khronos), therefore it is said that he is the god of Time. Saturn was the son of Heaven and Earth, Uranus and Gaea and became King of the gods when his mother gave him the sickle to castrate his father when the work of generating the elements and other eternal things had been completed. When the deed was done, Saturn allowed the gonads of Heaven to drop to earth, which shows that the seeds of all things come from Heaven. So with the reign of Saturn, Father Time, the cosmic order and history as we know it began, for before him was (Chaos), but with him came the measurement of time, the seasons and the years.

Is it time to create order out of Chaos? Do people realize the first messiah to show up on the scene in the last days to create the order out of chaos, is an imposter!

I remember that William Cooper thought that the actual igniting of Saturn was to take place as part of the Illuminati plan!

We also know that the Shriners, who are the highest levels of Masonry, wear the symbols of the Muslim religion, that of a cresent moon and scaber on their red hats (fez)! Red symolizing soaked in Christian blood !

We also know that Albert Pike predicted a final war between the Christians and the Muslims!

So it appears that behind the scenes that at the highest levels that the world leaders worship the same god ,and this war on terror is just a game they are playing out!

We know that the god they worship isn't the Christian God, though they play the game well !

So who of you has the complete story, or can you reveal it ?

You know it's too late to stop it; even though it can never fully succede !

Shammah.



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I might be wrong, but I thought it was the planet Jupiter in the movie 2010. I believe though, that in a later novel the new star, which was formerly the planet Jupiter, was named Lucifer (bearer of light).

Originally posted by shammah
But most disturbing; they plan to put a very large one (Black Monolith) at the twin towers site!!!!!?????
[edit on 24-12-2004 by shammah]

do you have any sources confirming this? I have never heard of anything like this being planned.

Sheez, here we go again...

Originally posted by shammah
The Muslims worship it !

Muslims do not worship any "black monolith", as that would be idolatry. Muslims are forbidden to worship any images, as they believe that God alone may be worshiped.

Isn't anyone going to protest about having the symbol of the very Muslim god, at the site where these Muslem terrorists killed 3000 inocent at the world trade center??

1. I find your claim about a "black monolith" at the World Trade Center site very suspect.

2. A black monolith is not a symbol of God in Islam.

We know that Lucifer means the Illuminated one, by which we get the Illuminati; those that serve him ! They serve Lucifer but also believe that there is another God, Adoni!

1. "Illuminati" is derived from the English word "enlightenment", not the Latin "lucifer".

2. Adonai is a Hebrew word for "Lord", and used hundreds of times in the Old Testament.

They believe the ying yang theory appearently, correct me if I'm wrong, that Darkness needs light , and Light, Darkness ! You see in their symbols, the god that is light and it's reflection that is dark, so which god do they think they serve?

Yin Yang is a symbol of Taoism. It symbolizes the duality in Nature.

We also know that the Shriners, who are the highest levels of Masonry, wear the symbols of the Muslim religion, that of a cresent moon and scaber on their red hats (fez)! Red symolizing soaked in Christian blood !

Wrong again.
masonicinfo.com...

We also know that Albert Pike predicted a final war between the Christians and the Muslims!

No, Pike predicted no such thing.

Here is some interesting info;

About the Movies;

This is, of course, risky, since the novel and the film are two very different mediums and works. In the novel, the Discovery's destination is Saturn, not Jupiter. Clarke also has explained that he was not entirely sure what Kubrick's ending meant, although I've heard rumors it was Kubrick's way of not having to show aliens who would appear either funny or horrific.

Clarke's work is highly optimistic. In 2001, he envisions a world in which travel to the moon may not be commonplace, but it occurs frequently enough that children can be born at a lunar scientific base. A massive space station is being built in Low Earth Orbit and shuttles ply their way between Earth, the station and the Moon effortlessly. A trip to Saturn is possible and almost a matter-of-fact occurence. Written as man was about to set foot on the moon, it is no wonder that Clarke's portrayal of the future of astronautics would be so glorious. If only it had come to pass.

Sunday, August 22, 2004
AN INSIDERS VIEW OF THE ILLUMINATI

A new tower of Babel is rising in New York City and the cornerstone was laid for it on July 4th, 2004, on the site of the former World Trade Center. This stone is a black monolith which weighs 40,000 lbs. (Associated Press, July 4, 2004 by Amy Westfeldt, New York, NY.)(Emphasis mine).

The black stone (monolith) is sacred to Moslems and Masons as I will illustrate, but first I will prove that it is directly tied in with the craft (occult).

Shammah.

P.S. The Muslims at Mecca March around a black Granite Monolith; there must be some connection with this symbol, to their god !







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I found some information on this black monolith to be built. It seems that it will be built not on, but near the trade center site and will be in honor of the british victims of 9-11.

www.downtownexpress.com...

Originally posted by shammah


The black stone (monolith) is sacred to Moslems and Masons as I will illustrate

Black monoliths are not "sacred" to Masons. In fact, monoliths have nothing to do with Masonry at all.

I'd be willing to bet the kitty that the same applies to Muslims. We have several Islamic members on this forum, perhaps they would care to comment?

Shammah, where on Earth have you gotten you're painfully erroneous information?

A new tower of Babel is rising in New York City

So you are saying "they" are building a tower in effort to reach heaven? Or do you mean in a sense to serve as a "center" of all civilization (as in the NWO)?

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Is it time to create order out of Chaos? Do people realize the first messiah to show up on the scene in the last days to create the order out of chaos, is an imposter!

This is the most self-destructive and harmful fallacy ever to come out of modern Christianity.

Analyze this thought carefully: In times of trouble and choas ( Which is ALL of mankind's history) the first man gifted and able enough to lead and guide mankind will be an evil imposter.

What this does is render mankind totally unmanageable by religious or philosophical means. It puts him at the mercy of the industrial and economic powers, who don't need to reveal themselves as prophets or seers or teachers, but merely rule by the gross flow of moeny and product. Because you keep killing and doubting your prophets, you will go into slavery and destruction.

The anti-messiah myth is very harmful to modern people. It makes them suspicious of every spiritual man trying to teach, and even more suspicious to any man who has SUCCESSFULLY come to a high level of authority in spiritual matters. In effect, you have killed all your babies and destroyed the Christ Children from your race. You have accepted a lie that will make it even more difficult for a son of heaven to emerge from your nations and guide you. You have been tricked into thinking this way, because the powers of the world that existed when Christ came the first time have become a little wiser, and have hoped to make additional appearances of His Spirit more difficult.

Heaven sends your teachers and guides to you, just like it always has, but you have become so mad and misguided that you are totally unable to receive them.

This is why I am so set against the silliness of Modern Christianity, and the horribly misused and corrupted myth of the antichrist. You are scared of a boogeyman, and it is stunting your spiritual growth. You cannot receive any teacher or guide, because you think they are ALL the antichrist. Oh well then, the only result of that kind of madness is total destruction. Once you lose the sense of what things are, and how they work, you are not that far from total slavery and anihilation.

If you think the antichrist will have every trait of a leader, and will have real solutions for problems, but somehow be "evil" or satanic, then you have a very silly problem. You lose the ability to have any kind of leader at all, or any person who can solve problems on their own authority. This myth has destroyed the ability of the world to be led, because they mistrust everything and everyone, so only the most foul and evil forces hold rule. Fools! You deserve it, eat it.

You destroy your leaders, you kill your prophets, and you mislead your children. Yet through all this madness and blindness, God continues to send you wise men, gifted sons, and gentle men to teach you. See how you treat them? See what you think about these people? See how you persecute and judge them?

It is time to put away childish things and fruitless religions. It is time to look at the world and see how it is unfolding. You must see the forces that are vyying for power and influence, and understand the kind of world they are trying to create for us.

Animals don't mind when they are corralled and prodded. They low and bleat, but they eventually end up where the ranchhands want them. If you are satisfied with the awareness and behaviors of beef cattle, then read no more.

Modern Christianity is in bad repair. It is conducted by materialist Westerners, they address neither the sciences of the East or the west, but establish themselves in myths and renderings. They believe in an unequalled and distant Christ, whom they venerate as a tyrant or demiurge. They impede the individual from attaining divinity, because it is abhorrent to them that any individual be equal with Christ, or to share in His dominion. This is contrary to what Jesus himself established among His followers - he fed them until they were full, and made them sit equal to himself, and put the wicked beneath THEIR feet as well as his own. He had no jealousy of others. That is what all other men lack.

The need to rule over others is the sign of the devil, and the establishment of heirarchies is the fruit of the devil. All heirarchies that do not result from the excellence of being, or love, are the wretched offspring of the satanic realm. The fruit of Christ is that which fills men, and brings him up to salvation and knowledge. It requires no books, churches, temples, or rites. It is an individual experience that a man can have in complete solitude. The work of men keeps others oppressed, deceived, enslaved. The work of men should be destroyed, and the work of God should replace it.

If you cannot eat this kind of mental food, you will starve and die. Our future is not what you think it is going to be. What you see in this world today is only a vanishing illusion, a deception, and a lie. It has no establishment, and will destroy itself in a brief time of utter calamity.

What will emerge from this world will be called the most holy, the most blessed, and it will be said that it came from above, and what was upon the earth finally resembled what was in heaven. The egg must break for the eagle to emerge. Do not cry over the fragments of the egg!

It's simple brothers: If something is not worthy of praise, then don't praise it. If the institutions and systems of this world become evil and start to degrade our lives and freedoms, don't allow them to continue without your vocal opposition, or more.

Arky

It is clear that the religions of today do not depict what the true salvation message indicates, which teaches of the Love of God.
The Bible clearly states that satan will come with all lieing signs, and wonders before the true Messiah.
If there is any truth in the other religions, it is based on flesh, and spiritual wickedness in high places, and not the Spirit of God.
The powers that be, now impliment social destruction, based on their agendas, and thus, form the minds of men, making them sheep as to the slaughter.
True Christians follow the True, and Living God, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus Christ, the Messiah, this is not a religion, but a truth.
Men have muddied the waters of the truth by inserting their beliefs.
True Love comes from above, and the rest is falicy, with sand as its base.
And true Love never boasts of itself, nor does it say anything that would hurt another.
True Love is fruit within a mans heart, Love, Peace, Joy, Longsuffering, goodness, meekness, gentleness, faith, and Temperance.
Man's true nature is evil, with selfishness as his inherent belief, until taught other wise, as a child, we tend to look to self, and as we grow into maturity, we realise that self is our enemy. So, in saying this, we realise that Christ's Love is the answer, not mans deity, for man cannot attain god hood on his own, but by the Spirit of God, he attains sonship, through brokeness of self will, and submits to the Father's will in all things, and then can he attain righteousness.
Mankind is fallen from perfection, and so God has to teach His children to become perfect, as He is, thus, obtaining His likeness.
Oh gee, wasn't there something about the black Monolith in this thread????
And oh, then why are the mason's using the black Monolith as one of their symbols???? I have seen it!!!! And the muslims, we are looking for answers here, not critisizms. Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. where's the spell check?
Shalom, and Love in Yah Shua, Jesus my Messiah, shammah

Monolith comes from the Greek Mon and Lith. "Mon" means 'one' and "lith" means 'stone'. So the monolith is a direct reference to 'one stone'. This film then, is about the one stone, or the single stone. And in this case, Stanley Kubrick has made sure that the stone is black. In alchemy all things that exist come from the black stone, or the 'prima materia'. The black stone is the stone of transformation, and even more important to this argument the stone of projection. This is the Philosopher's Stone. This is the object that can change, or transmute mankind, according to alchemical lore. It is rare and, when it makes an appearance, it transforms the seeker. There is little doubt that the black monolith in _2001_ is the Philosopher's Stone!

What is it that the Philosopher's Stone promises? The two main gifts of the stone are total gnosis, or knowledge of the seeker and the immortality of the soul. Does the monolith deliver on these great promises? We shall see that it completes both promises before the film finally ends. In fact the two promises of the Philosopher's Stone are what is actually accomplished by the monolith through the course of the movie. There is also little doubt that Kubrick knew this all the time and it isn't accidental in anyway. This is a movie about the black stone, the prima materia, and the power of projection.

The stone has given Bowman the gifts that the Philosopher's Stone has always promised. Bowman has achieved complete gnosis, or knowledge, and now he has become immortal by overcoming physical death and being reborn. In that moment, he passes through the monolith one last time. The earth is ahead of him now and he will be reborn on that planet. Bowman will be a new human, just as different from Homo Sapiens as Homo Sapiens are different from that apeman who picked up that bone all that time ago. Nietzche's ape to man to superman theme, from his _Thus Spoke Zarathustra_ essays, is mirrored perfectly by Strauss' music and Kubrick's movie. Kubrick has evoked the spiritual and physical evolution of our race as it has been transformed by this magical black stone.

Stanley Kubrick uses alchemical allegories through out the film. The obvious analogies are the celestial alignments that proceed each of the alchemical transmutations in the film. The second main allegory is that it is a black stone that initiates these transmutations. Again this mirrors the alchemical lore about the black stone causing the transmutation of the alchemist.

Adam erected the Ka'bah on earth exactly below the spot its perfect model occupies in heaven, and selected the stones from the five sacred mountains, Sinai, al-Judi, Hire, Olivet, and Lebanon. Ten thousand angels were appointed to guard the structure; but, as Burckhardt remarks, they appear to have been often most remiss in their duty! At the Deluge the Sacred House was destroyed. But the Almighty is said to have instructed Abraham to rebuild it. In its reconstruction Abraham was assisted by his son Ishmael, who with his mother Hagar were at the time residents of Makkah, Abraham having journeyed from Syria in order to obey the commands of God. Upon digging they found the original foundations of the building. But wanting a stone to mark the corner of the building, Ishmael started in search of one, and as he was going in the direction of Jabal Qubais, the angel Gabriel met him, and gave him the famous black stone. Ibn 'Abbas relates that the Prophet said, the black stone when it came down from Paradise was whiter than milk, but that it has become black from the sin of those who have touched it. (MisWf, book Ii. Ch. iv. pt. 2.) (A Dictionary Of Islam, Thomas Patrick Hughes, 1965: The pagan Arabs practiced polytheism. They worshipped nature, stones. angels and demons. Particular reverence was accorded the three 'daughters of God', and various national, local and family idols. Each tribe gave allegiance to a special protector: one god to whom it turned in time of distress. Our modern altars may have had their beginnings in the stone worship of the ancients. One stone still holds a revered spot in the Arab heart. This is the stone that fell from paradise at the fall of Adam. Pure white it was and housed in a temple built by Seth, Adam's son, until a great flood ravaged the land, destroyed the temple, and buried it under the mud and debris. Tradition relates that the stone remained hidden until Abraham sent his wife Hagar into the desert with their infant son Ishmael. One day, weakened by thirst, Hagar laid her baby on the sand to rest. His fitful thrashings uncovered a spring of clear water near the site of the lost relic. It is told that an angel descended from heaven and helped recover the sacred stone and that Ishmael rebuilt the holy house of Seth with the assistance of Abraham and the archangel Gabriel. This, in brief, is the story of the Kaaba,' holiest building in Islam. (Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21). When Abraham the Friend of the Merciful finished building the sacred House, Gabriel came and said: "Circle it seven times!" and he circumambulated it seven times with Ishmael, touching all the corners during each circumambulation. When they had completed seven, he and Ishmael prayed two prostrations behind the stone [maqam]. He said: Gabriel got up with them and showed him all the ritual stations: al-Safa, al-Marwa, Mina, Muzdalifa, and Arafat. (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)
As these accounts attempt to demonstrate, the complex ritual the Muslims call the Hajj or Pilgrimage can be traced back, in general and in each specific detail, to Adam and, more proximately, to Abraham, whose intent and practices Muhammad was to restore so many centuries later. For the non-Muslim, however, the Meccan rituals are striking remnants of a pagan, albeit Semitic, past in Arabia, which the Prophet of Islam permitted to survive by incorporating them into his own prescriptions. (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)

Volume XX Issue VIII August 2001
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We arrived in Manhattan and took the subway to forty-second and Lexington, walking the rest of the way to the East River and the United Nations. We went inside, through security, and into the Meditation Room, which was designed by the second Secretary General of the U.N., Dag Hammarskjold. The room is 18 feet wide at the entrance, 33 feet long, and contains a black monolithic stone altar at the center. This black rectangular stone weighs exactly 13 thousand pounds according to the plaque on the wall. We put our hands on this evil altar and prayed against all the powers of darkness that are at work there. We prayed that the power of the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ would discomfit the powers of darkness!

Tuesday, August 10, 2004
LODESTAR AND THE NEW TOWER OF BABEL

The black stone (monolith) is also present in two other prominent areas in the United States. Can you guess where?

One of the locations is the great Scottish Rite Masonic Temple located 13 blocks from the White House in Washington D.C. (Kinman, 304).

The second location is in New York City at the United Nations (U.N.) building in the meditation room. The meditation room is "constructed as a hologram depicting, by its very design, the unity of the major religions of the world." Tal Brooke, One World, (End Run Publishing: Berkeley, CA, 2000) 187. The design of this room indicates that this international organization is one of the groups behind the drive to unify the world's religions as is the Vatican.

"There is in this meditation room a great black stone." (Emphasis in original). (Kinman 303). Albert Pike wrote "The ancients adored the sun under the form of a great black stone" (monolith)(Pike, 775) as quoted in Kinman, 304. "The sun god was worshipped in Babylon, Egypt, and Peru, and among many of the ancients." Texe Marrs Circle of Intrigue (Living Truth Publishers: Austin, Texas, 1995) 227. Many symbols of the Sun God (pagan worship) can be found in numerous recent New Age publications. See also Corporate Symbology.

As of the year 2000 this great black stone (monolith) at the U.N. had been "under the watchful eye of Sri Chinmoy", an Indian guru "who also served as the chaplin of the United Nations who claimed to be in a state of perpetual Cosmic Consciousness while embodying the divinity of man" (Brooke, 187). "He teaches that the number "666" is a holy number.(Kinman, 303).(Emphasis in original).

Remember the question : Why put a black Monolith at the site of the world trade center ? and what does this really mean to those that are responible?

Are the people so brainwashed they can't see this is as the monolith at Mecca, those who brought down the buildings are connected to this symbol!

MEDITATION AND THE UNITED NATIONS

The major requirement for the return of Christ is a world at peace
and this is the objective of the U.N.

The Meditation Room at the United Nations was first established by a lay Christian organization, and re-modeled by Dag Hammarskj�ld, a former Secretary-General, who called it a 'Room of Quiet'. It was thought that the 'house', the council of nations, dedicated to work and debate in the service of peace, should have one room dedicated to silence in the outward sense and stillness in the inner sense.

In the center of the Meditation Room there is a large ironstone rock. Upon this central block streams a shaft of light from an unseen source. A symbol of man's hope for 'light or understanding' to flood the 'world of misunderstanding'. It symbolizes the light of or divine Wisdom that we can invoke upon the affairs of the world; how the light of the spirit gives life to matter. 'From the point of Light within the mind of God, Let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let light descend on Earth.

This work is being undertaken and carried forward by the U.N.

The article goes on to say that 'the Christ will add a new element to His work - the Spiritual Will, the Will-to-good, the principle needed for synthesised, unified world action. These principles and energies will be interpreted and applied by the Christ and His group of world workers to world reorganisation and world planning according to the new growth possible under the influence of Aquarius'. Again-what more appropriate centre than the U.N.?

Some further points for consideration: the U.N. was formed in June 1945 with one of its main objectives being the establishment of right human relations. In June 1945, the Christ announced that He had decided to emerge again into physical contact with humanity, if they would bring about the initial stages of establishing right human relations. Also in June 1945, at the time of the Full Moon of the Christ, He gave to humanity a world prayer-the Great Invocation. To consider the Great Invocation, line by line, in relation to the U.N. can be most exciting and rewarding thought expansion.

The exact time and place for the Christ's reappearance are not yet known to humanity, He will appear when and where the definite work of preparation has created suitable conditions, in the meantime, preparation must go on. At the present the best chance of the plan of light and love working out, is through the U.N. If the evocative appeal from the men [and women] of goodwill is strong enough, may it be that the Christ will return through the United Nations?

The U.N. Meditation room at U.N. headquarters in New York (pictured here) is off-limits to most visitors, including Americans who pay most of the bills up there. It has been described as a pagan temple. It includes no traditional religious symbols. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was married to his Swedish wife in this room. Does worship of the earth, the spirit of "Gaia," take place there? The book Spiritual Politics says people have had mystical experiences in this place.

Just a few things to think about; Shammah.

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Ur right. The black stone - al-Hajr al-Aswad
was an idol of godess - actually her vagina. Every moslem has to bow in this direction, every moslem is ritually kissing it at least once a life. No matter what they say this was the origin. When they stone satan maybe they should better throw stones in this direction.

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Hello, I am getting ready to go to sleep, so I do not have the energy to type much. If you must know more about the "Islamic Black Monolith" please visit this thread; Kaaba the big black cube in the center of mecca??. If you do not want to read the whole thread, just skim over it and read my replies in that thread.

In summary, Muslims worship no stone. My whole explanation with facts and proof are in that thread. Sorry I cant elaborate more... sleep is calling me! Goodnight and Peace to you.

I can't find head or tail in the OP, from a 'directional' consideration. Where is it coming from and where is it supposed to go.

But what I can see is, that by constructing and promoting black/white premises similar to those of 'Lord of the rings' and C.S. Lewis' circle-argumented propaganda (scenarios with only one optional 'answer') ANY pre-determined message can be pushed.

We are NOT living in medieval Europe, where scholastics was an accepted way to 'truth'. So theists, please update your approach some centuries.

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SHAMAH,

THIS IS A REAL IMPORTANT TOPIC,
THANK YOU.

But is the world ready for the truth to come out, because the truth will bring peace in between , Jews , Christians and Muslim.

Black Monolith, the STONE , THE KAABA, THE CUBE HAS 6 SIDES = 6 = XXX = +++ = JESUS.

We all know the STONE only represents JESUS- YESHUA- THE MESSIAH. the stone that the builders rejected is JESUS.

THEY KISS THE STONE AS JUDAH KISSED JESUS.


TROPHY

In the times of Ancient Greeece and Rome it was regarded as a structure consisting of the captured ARMS, FLAGS or other spoils of a DEFEAT ENEMY, hung on a tree, or pillar, of the field of balltle or elsewhere as a memorial of VICTORY- THIS PRACTICE IS STILL BEING PRACTICED TODAY-

Reason the symbols in the Revelation, helraldry, FLAGS and numbers represent the VICTORY over JESUS.

SATAN IS JESUS


The Hebrew word שטן – “satan” means adversary or accuser.
“Satan” is pronounced as “sah-tahn.”

ADVERSARY- a person or group opposing or hostile to another person or group, enemy or opponent

ACCUSER - a person who accuses another

JESUS- YESHUA opposed his enemies and they were hostile towards him, they Crucified him and

wrote the REVELATIONS AGAINST HIM AS THE BEAST, FALSE PROPHET, DRAGON , DEVIL,

LUCIFER ETC ETC ETC.

So I'm also SATAN now because I'm opposing AGAINST MY EMEMIES.

YESHUA-JESUS IS SATAN IN THE REVELATION AND
SATAN IS NOT AS EVIL A WORD AS IS MADE OUT TO BE.