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posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 03:29 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: NthOther

No one NEEDS that crap.

Both Socialism and Capitalism are flawed and enslave those living in them.

Society should be voluntary.


All societies are based on a certain level of authority transferred from the individual to a higher level of power. That's basically the core of societies.

Libertarian societies cannot work for anything bigger than a group of 50 hippies on a beach.


Humans have always been social animals, it's in their genes and they need to group under the authority of someone/something to protect themselves from their self-destructive habits.




posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 03:31 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I just want to be as free as possible.

Societies of any kind are impediments to that end.



No one prevents you to leave the city and go live as an hermit in a cave or a monk in a monastery. There are people doing it, you can too if that's your thing. You are not bound to your city life.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 04:19 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

let them express their opinion..

you will always hear the same response..

this is not a lecture..

I feel you are punishing then for talking in your class

You have right intentions I get that..


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posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

you don't have to... this world is old school..

dormant era of humanity..

as said above by Juhrman .. we all have a choice and are not bound to city life..

that is true.. but there is no such thing as no city life.. either..


there is such a thing : WRONG AUTHORITY & EGO MANIA

we are not our parents and grandparents


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posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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I always lip-synced the pledge, but if I could go back and do it again I'd just sit and refuse.

I would encourage anyone still in grade school to do it.

What are they gonna do, arrest you for not speaking?


originally posted by: TarzanBeta
I was never moved by passion. I have found that which is logical in the form of passion and dispassion. Passion is irrelevant to reason, but passion is relevant to the one experiencing it. To be moved by passion is, to me, a vulnerability. But to possess passion is a virtue. Does this make sense to you?


Makes perfect sense to me, there's two sides to every coin.

Not much to say on the rest, I don't really keep track of politics.

The Archons are so predictable it's not funny, why bother.




posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: mikegrouchy

Thanks for the cigar and glass of wine!

It's interesting, I really do not feel like what I say is dangerous. But, I also rarely allow the feelings of an individual to undermine the speaking of truth. I have been a friend to many, but I have been discarded by the same. The shock factor has decreased. I become more relieved now. To make a social media reference, they do the unfriending for me.

When I was talking with my mother the other day, she said something the made me belly laugh.

"I was always afraid your brother _____ would be a Gigolo. I was always afraid people would tell your (other) brother ______ that he was a comedian. But, you, I was always afraid that you would become a cult leader."

Cult... leader... oh my God.

Good grief.

My dad and I have an argument that's been going for 15 years. It's a stupid argument, really.

He says to me, "You don't understand, other people can't do what you can do."

I say, "Everyone can do what I can do, and probably better than me."

He says, "No, they can't."

This has happened at least once a year since 2001. I have been tempted to believe him when my world becomes riddled by the Riddler. But I know it's not right. I am so glad that I know that it's not right. I need to be human.

But then you come along and say, "the most dangerous ideas".

Help me! I don't want to be dangerous.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

dude.. I am happy to join ur cult..
you sound more human than anything else I have encountered in my reality..
sad but true..
don't mean to be a freak
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posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: CretumOrbis

I would also encourage people who do not understand the reason for the Pledge of Allegiance to not do it as well, if they feel like they do not know why they do it.

If I could go back, I'd do it every day and I'd tell people every day the reasons why. It's not the worship of a piece of cloth. The symbol is not the thing. It represents the thing. It's not an idol. Defending the flag means defending the Constitution. Defending the Constitution means defending the individual. The living document can be amended, for good or bad. But it MUST defend the individual. Defending the individual is what it is all about. It is not about taking away the rights of the individual for the sake of a group. That is absolutely and completely irresponsible. An individual that dies free dies of their own merit. But an individual that dies in servitude suffocates. The free choose servitude with good pleasure. The wise slave says, "Give me Liberty, or give me death."

It's not about politics. Politics /= government. Politics is a skill which is used in every single aspect of society. It is a tool. Just like any tool, it can be used to improve or to destroy. Even then, it is the intent behind the tool that defines the result. Good intent will say, "I use this hammer to destroy old walls and to build new houses." Evil intent will say, "I use this hammer to destroy my enemies and to earn allies." Because the evil exists, though, the good resorts to destroying enemies and earning allies in order that the evil does not take over the world. Therefore, both will appear evil. But the intent is the reality, if you can find it. But better is to focus on your own intent. Humans are in the middle and are swayed by desire. Opinions are the buds of desire. Facts are the fruits of labor.

I am not political. I am human. I do not want to generate a following with opinion and manipulation. I do not want to generate a following by promising things. You can't promise people anything. When you know what they should do, you tell them what to do. "Go do it. Stop making me do it. You're paying me to represent your voice, not to use my hands for you. I represent you standing and speaking your mind. That is ALL. What choices others make when they hear your mind is up to them."

Any "politician" that claims to be able to promise anything is foolish and a danger. How can I be a danger?

The government represents order - not ordering your food. That's not a government. "Hey, officer, do you mind grabbing me a coffee on the way back? Thanks, buddy."

That's a waiter.

The United States Waiter.

As for the previous arguments about other countries with socialist policies that seem to be doing well: You are purposefully ignorant. Why do it on purpose? If you've researched, and you've read, and you've discussed with the people, and you see the problems, and you know history, and you speak on it... which is worse? The ignorant speaking before knowing, or the knowing speaking ignorance in contradiction to reality? I forgive the former first.

I mentioned Bernie Sanders because that man is a copy & paste Vladimir Lenin.

I do not blame Bernie. He's just a man. But the people... the people have forgotten that God said, "have I not said, 'ye are gods'". I should use a capital P, but the mentality of this country has gone the way of Benjamin Button: beginning with maturity, ending as an infant.

Did you know that Lenin might have died from neurosyphilis? Do you know how that happens?
The policies which they stand for are destructive to every individual. But they cannot gain power if they are not saying what the people already desire to hear.

"I will solve all of your problems. There is no God. There is just us, and we need to work together. We should love mother nature, even though mother nature obviously wants us dead because we have to vaccinate against 15 different diseases or we would be wiped out. Yes, let's love mother nature, and yet not realize that the reason why she wants us dead is because we're whores, but hey, we do what we want. If it shouldn't be allowed in the game, then it should have been programmed as impossible by the Programmer; otherwise, it's natural. Whatever is available to us to do, we should do it. Let's build each other up. Let's work together. Let's feel good. Let's build rebuild that Tower of Babylon and flip off the Creator for hurting us. Yes, we're so educated and smart. Technology makes everything possible! We Can Do it! Now you may applause and faint!"

Again, I did it again...


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posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Layaly

No cult. Please!

But I'm always open to test a friend. First challenge is "teach me something I don't know or prove me wrong". I love being humiliated. It means I'm a human, others also think well, someone was willing to teach me, and somehow, by some incredible miracle, I'm still worthy of this life.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: Metallicus
I just want to be as free as possible.

Societies of any kind are impediments to that end.



No one prevents you to leave the city and go live as an hermit in a cave or a monk in a monastery. There are people doing it, you can too if that's your thing. You are not bound to your city life.


That's not entirely true. You actually still have to fight the local governments when they find out unless you're a part of a religious or exempted community that is monitored - and even then, there are no groups like that that I would join. The rights of the individual have been diminished.

Of course, you CAN do it. But consider what is reasonable. Every single slice of land has security in place. There are no new frontiers. You are either running and hiding or talking until you die, as an individual without exemption from the government. That exemption classifies you as GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. You cannot be exempt by the government unless you belong to them in the first place. The exemption implies that you still belong, but that you are granted a privilege.

As well, a man in a cave serves mostly himself. But a man in the town can serve those in need. What is the point of going and living in a cave until it becomes your mausoleum? What has been gained?

The freedom to serve is much more powerful than the obligation to commune. The obligation serves self interest. The freedom serves whomever it pleases.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

I think you may have missed the 'why' of my point, but you sure made a lot of mine.

I have no respect for any flag or borders. God didn't draw lines on the map, man did. Drew the map, too!

Keep on ragin', and workin' that light...



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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Bernie Sanders for President 2016!

Hands out everything for free to everyone, cause you know thats socialism,.,..lol
Clueless.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: CretumOrbis

I didn't miss your point. It would seem you missed all of mine.

God did draw lines, in fact. There are borders, indeed. There are mountains, oceans, rivers, lakes, creeks, valleys, plains, deserts, tundras, swamps, islands, the natural laws of physics, the natural laws of biology, the natural laws of chemistry, the limitations of the physical senses, the limitations of the human mind, the modified genealogy of every generation, and the modified landscape for every generation.

Are you so blind?

Go look at a map and you will realize that most of the lines that determine the boundaries of nations are not man made.

Let's add more easily discernible information.

There is a boundary between you and me, even if we were to stand before each other. My skin is the outer limits of me. Unless I choose, you shall not invade me without consequence.

This is my house. Though your house was next to mine, you shall not enter into the door unless I choose, without consequence.

This is my community. Though your community was next to mine, you shall not enter into this community unless we choose, without consequence.

Should I carry on?

If you were truly spiritual, then you would realize that physical borders are good for the body because the body itself is the spiritual border for the spirit. The spirit of a community should not have to answer to the spirit or conscience of another community. And so forth.

It is a greedy spirit that says that all others should succumb to their own desires. It is a greedy spirit that says that no one else's boundaries matter - especially since you lay forth a boundary yourself, that you will respect no authority.

You did not think yourself into this world. Others came before you. Therefore, it is they who came before you that give authority where it is good.

But if it is true that you really believe there are no borders and that they are man made, then I suppose you have absolutely no arguments against the United States military going into any place in the world and doing as it is instructed.



posted on Jun, 11 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Oh, don't be so boring. Really, come on. Don't you have any better argument?

You'll feel very good for a short time. But the sheep that are fed treats feel most comfortable before the slaughter.

Our system is already quite socialistic. That's why it's having strokes and hemorrhages and fevers anyway. The feeble minds are too worried about very silly things to actually care about reality. The feeble minds are manipulated by the evil into regurgitating their nonsense.

Once the socialistic system is in place, then the foundation for the most destructive government is hardened.

There will be peace. Then there will be tyranny the likes of which you've had the pleasure to never understand.

There will be parties and joy. Then there will be blood.

There will be utopian growth and morale followed quickly by genocide.

Our country will be the color of old film.

You can call that a legal prediction if it pleases you.

Here's another one: If Bernie Sanders is elected (which wouldn't be completely necessary for his ideas to take root, obviously), then the leader that follows Bernie will be a devil.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Metallicus

When someone no longer is personally responsible for providing what they need to live they become a slave to the society or entity that provides those things.

Socialism is just slavery with a pretty title.

So is industrial capitalism. No one can truly provide for themselves anymore due to the specialization of labor required for the mass production of all the junk we've been told will set us free.

We're slaves to the machine it's created, which will be brutally apparent after it collapses and no one can figure out how to wipe their own ass without instructions and expert supervision.

For a nominal fee, of course.


I do not want to neglect this post.

Industrial capitalism eventually leads to socialism. That's the point.

You are right, this society has gone far into the depths of foolishness. Consider a parallel: No one knows they're a slave to the machine because it provides them with the internet.

I am not employed. I have a small cleaning business which I've used to support my family and also to fund the startup of my hybrid photography business. Every now and then I will take some construction and roofing jobs. I never allow myself to be employed, however. I need to be the director of my time as much as possible. I also need to be able to give others as much freedom as they desire. It has not been easy going this route. It has been downright taxing... (no...? Okay.) But I make $45 an hour cleaning and $75 doing photography now. I quit college twice because both times I somehow was conned into believing I would need the "eduation" and in the middle of the curriculum I realized that the people teaching me were less intelligent than me and I got bored. I almost didn't graduate my senior high school year despite having a GPA of 3.7 because I didn't show up for a third of the year. In fact, when I got a letter saying that if I missed another 11 days, I couldn't graduate, I scheduled the other 10 days off that I was allowed. LOL.

I love being told what to do by those that know what they're doing. I work like the Tasmanian Devil on meth and without all the destruction.

But I hate being told what to do by those that don't know what they're doing. It is either frustrating or boring. It depends on my mood.

I've worked fast food, worked retail front and back, taught Taekwondo, installed tents of all sizes, repaired every aspect of vehicles besides the computers and welding, roofing of all types, foundations for warehouses, built every aspect of a house except for digging the hole, cleaned up garbage; I've learned all about jewelry and became a jewelry consultant at Zale's; I've taken care of cows, horses, chickens, dogs, cats, birds, fish, gardens, and small crops so much that # smells fresh; I've cut down many trees and split at least 500 cords of wood (I believe i'm severely understating that, but better that...), I've hand carved/whittled tobacco pipes out of hickory, cherry, and cedar (don't smoke the cedar, for the love of God), and sold them; I've repaired computers, old and new, from the bottom up; I've recorded my music and produced my own professional CDs in jewel cases with professional labels and all and sold them (sold more .mp3s, so I quit wasting my time); I play fingerstyle and lead acoustic guitar, bass, drums, write, and sing. I've made money playing shows. I've played the Hard Rock cafe in Nashville, and that was not even close to my best moment, no, in fact, that was a bad moment, oh no... I've been a bartender. I've worked in factory with presses. So all these previous things I GOT PAID FOR, usually as an employee.

I've read the Bible MANY times. You have to, or else you don't actually GET it.

Not that I really had to, but I have researched physics quite a bit. I feel like it's been pointless because all of what is obvious is still being missed. Whatever. I frequently research different strings of history. I'll have a dream or I'll stumble upon a name or something... then I'll read. But then I need to know where THAT came from. Then THAT. And so on. And then I think, "How does that connect to this?" So then I have to go over there... and over there... until I have 50 windows open and my RAM meter says, "You're killing me, smalls."

What does all of this have to do with your post, you ask? But the connections are so obvious.

I have seen many parts of the machine. Let me tell you, we're not slaves to it if we don't want to be. Everyone who is a slave to the machine WANTS to be. I went in, worked harder than everyone else, learned everything, got bored, and moved on. Sometimes the schedule wouldn't let me sleep. No... I'm going to sleep. Thanks. Sometimes the schedule wouldn't allow me to have a break. So? I'm taking a break. Rules are necessary, but I'm a wet fish to too heavy a hand.

I always wanted to learn all the skills. Always. Never wanted to not know. Had to know how so that I could do it, and, if possible, improve it. And I always did. I'd always be done so quickly. Then I have more responsibility. I'd develop new systems. "Wow!" No, sorry, gotta go. This is a trap.

I always knew that I had to be in charge of what I'm doing. I don't want to be in charge of other people. For God's sake, take charge of yourself. If you can't take charge of yourself, who are you to complain about bought and paid for politicians? It's the cog calling the cog brass!

Many of us do need some form of support in this economic environment. Yes, we do. Not because we should need it. The system desires that we need it. But I don't want it.

So I keep searching and learning. And doing. I master current systems, but I have failed miserably a thousand times setting up my own systems. But then, I found one.

I have an eye for detail and I am somewhat obsessive about doing my job. It will be right. I am also impatient about time. So it will be done right right now. Patience is for research, observing, family, or a relaxing day building things with a friend. It's not for paid work that is taking away my free time. As well, since my bank account has always been quite lonely, I had to pick a business that would have very low cost, but require my abilities, in order to be able to provide enough money.

Cleaning. $45 an hour. Yes, that's right. I made the number up. I was considering one day, "What would I like to be paid?" After a few minutes of performing the equations in my head, the number "45" kept appearing like a neon sign. I felt guilty considering it. I used to just want a $15 an hour job, thinking that would solve my problems. Telling someone I'm worth $45 an HOUR?! What was I thinking?

Um, it worked. And guess what I learned? I am worth that $45 an hour. It pays for all the materials I use, for repair and replacement, for rent, for food, for kids, etc. When business costs are factored in, we actually get about $20 an hour for us. Hum.

But then I picked up a camera one day. Oops. Now I gotta master something else. And guess what? I did.

Now I'm charging about $75 an hour for that.

Welcome to the United States of America, folks.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:34 AM
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I can't prove you wrong if you are right


either way you can't prove wrong or right an opinion..
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posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:36 AM
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Though I could say a lot more, I'll just add more thing to put that previous post into an even more interesting perspective:

I did and do every single one of those things while EVERYONE IS TELLING ME THAT I CAN'T. And many purposefully tried to make sure that I couldn't... in fact, some still do.

...before anyone thinks that I had much positive encouragement or anything like that.

The difference between the U.S.A. and most other countries? For the most part, the law didn't tell me that I couldn't. I chose, I did. Not all my choices were the wisest, but I made them. But I thank God for that and I thank the defenders of our Constitution. And I know they appreciate me because I fully use what they sacrifice to give while so many are willing to squander it and demand more when they don't even process 1/100th of the information in a day.

If you need to feed your family, then pray, and while you receive, FIND A WAY!

But I know that there are no longer many that are capable of that anymore. There are too many lazy thinkers and quitters for fear of their body, their friends, and their image. Quit something when that thing is the very thing that is hindering you (assuming it's not family). But if everything else tries to hinder you from that thing but the thing itself does not, then you've FOUND your path. I'm so glad this is the Rant forum.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:44 AM
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Oh, don't be so boring. Really, come on. Don't you have any better argument?


It seems my sarcasm is lost on you when replying to your tired old argument.




You'll feel very good for a short time. But the sheep that are fed treats feel most comfortable before the slaughter.

I've lived in a wonderful environment that gave me free medicine and university, which I used. You have NO CLUE what you are taking about, the sheep slaughter is rubbish , and is well, just boring histrionics designed to illicit panic in people reading.




Our system is already quite socialistic

You live in a narrow world of experience to believe this.




The feeble minds are too worried about very silly things to actually care about reality. The feeble minds are manipulated by the evil into regurgitating their nonsense.

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There will be peace. Then there will be tyranny the likes of which you've had the pleasure to never understand.

There will be parties and joy. Then there will be blood.

There will be utopian growth and morale followed quickly by genocide.

Our country will be the color of old film.


blah blah blah blah, yawn let me know when you get a point , otherwise this bleeding hearts nonsense is of value only in your local community college writing class. Where it would get a c grading likely.




Bernie will be a devil.


OK sounds rational, and non hysterical, thanks for your time, but I find no value in this, I can go to a Benny Hinde convention to hear this kind of non sensical hysterical ministering
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posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:45 AM
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originally posted by: Layaly
a reply to: TarzanBeta


either way you can't prove wrong or right an opinion..


I didn't post an opinion, though, lol. I don't remember saying, "Hot dogs are great with mustard." lol.



posted on Jun, 12 2015 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Pretty please? Would you say something of value?

If Bernie Sanders is Vladimir Lenin, in nearly every single way, and the follow-up to Lenin was Stalin... don't make me connect the dots for you.

My very, very first post, at the very end, I said, "Do not refer to young economies that thrive off of free market imports, exports, and security. Don't be stupid."

If the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA falls, Your World Will Fall. (That's been the plan, why don't people see this...)

You incomplete thinker and judge of what which pertains not to the point of the entire rant. I'm not feeling as humorous. Time to sleep. Go beyond your free education. You got what you paid for. Good night, with love. Please.
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