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Growing Body of Law Allows Prosecution of Foreign Citizens on U.S. Soil

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posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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www.nytimes.com...

Federal prosecutors are going after these cases for several reasons. One is simply that they can, after Congress broadened extraterritorial jurisdiction for terrorism in 2004. Also, they see the cases as a smart alternative to diplomacy or drone strikes.



Arrested in Djibouti while he was en route to Yemen from Somalia, far from his home in Britain, Madhi Hashi was baffled to find himself jailed in Manhattan.

He admitted to prison officials that he was a member of the Shabab, the Somali militant group. But he “did not understand why he had been brought to the United States to stand trial,” he told them, according to court documents.

The world of soccer was roiled by a similar surprise late last month, heads snapping from Italy to Argentina, when Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch announced that Brooklyn prosecutors had indicted FIFA officials from the other side of the globe, on corruption charges.

Using a growing body of law that allows the United States to prosecute foreign citizens for some actions, the government has been turning the federal courts into international law-enforcement arenas.

In terrorism cases, the broadening of a key law in 2004, the splintering of terrorist groups and a shift away from military detention has led the United States to bring more foreigners onto its soil, some with only a tenuous link to the United States.



Is this a good thing or a bad thing?



edit on 9-6-2015 by wasaka because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: wasaka

Imperialism works for the core --for a period of time. The end is typically over-reach, a currency crisis, followed by implosion.

Not sure if it's good or bad in a moral sense. A long arc you might say.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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Living up to the World Police moniker.


YOU ESS EH YOU ESS EH YOU ESS EH



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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We were all "black bagged" before we were born. Now we're just birds in a cage chirping.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 06:31 PM
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I don't agree with this in the least bit. The US government can't even enforce the laws on the books for its citizens. What in the world makes them believe they have any right to prosecute foreign citizens? This is ridiculous and it's another reason for people across the globe to detest the US government.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 06:47 PM
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Did you know that the UK signed a treaty with the US that allow's extradition of a person without proof of any crime .



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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This is obviously a terrible thing. Why the heck does the U.S. Need anymore power than were already using on people? I mean we can freaking legally murder people without trial already....I can't believe other countries allow this to happen.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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I hear the POLICE in my head...right now!


"Canary In A Coalmine"

First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect
Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect
You live you life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

You say you want to spend the winter in Firenza
You're so afraid to catch a dose of influenza
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine

Now if I tell you that you suffer from delusions
You pay your analyst to reach the same conclusions
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine

First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect
Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine...

a reply to: Rosinitiate



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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I vote no. Thumbs down.



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: wasaka

This is just the US excersing their muscles and taking over the other countries.

proves the Wikileaks bloke was right seek asylum in the Eqadoor embessay. This also proves that the US would have kidnapped him and taken him to the US to stand trial as terroist.



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 06:33 AM
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If a crime was committed in the USA, then the US has jurisdiction.

Otherwise, it should keep it's nose out of places it doesn't belong.

This week, Attorney General was also claiming USA has right to prosecute foreigners in other countries "if those countries don't have laws around those issues". No, they don't.

The whole FIFA scandal is a big bag of sour grapes over USA losing their world cup bid to Qatar. It sets an ugly precedent of USA being able to prosecute foreigners for crimes committed both inside and outside USA.

Imagine if Saudi Arabia or Iran tried to prosecute American gays (as an example) in the United States "because there's no law against that in America". There would be a massive international incident and American Government saying "you can't do that".

But they seem to think the reverse is ok.



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 06:40 AM
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It's one of by pet peeves against the USA and that's there disgusting ability to arrest and extradite them for crimes that were not committed on U.S. soil or even by U.S. citizens.
Last year I brough up a case were a Brit got extridited to Arizona for selling chemical from the UK that were legal in the UK.



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Living up to the World Police moniker.


YOU ESS EH YOU ESS EH YOU ESS EH


Derp derp derp Merica! Land of the oppressed home of the tyrant



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: wasaka

Did you know that the UK signed a treaty with the US that allow's extradition of a person without proof of any crime .


Yup and I despise our government for it and write off toy mp to complain about that disgusting peace of # they call a treaty!



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: babybunnies
If a crime was committed in the USA, then the US has jurisdiction.

Otherwise, it should keep it's nose out of places it doesn't belong.

This week, Attorney General was also claiming USA has right to prosecute foreigners in other countries "if those countries don't have laws around those issues". No, they don't.

The whole FIFA scandal is a big bag of sour grapes over USA losing their world cup bid to Qatar. It sets an ugly precedent of USA being able to prosecute foreigners for crimes committed both inside and outside USA.

Imagine if Saudi Arabia or Iran tried to prosecute American gays (as an example) in the United States "because there's no law against that in America". There would be a massive international incident and American Government saying "you can't do that".

But they seem to think the reverse is ok.


Us politician don't seem to understand the meaning of hypocrisy.

Maybe it's down to MJ being legal so they need to fill there for profit prisons another way?



posted on Jun, 10 2015 @ 09:04 AM
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Well, sure again, the native eagle headed thinking goes, we're sure like hell not to become members of International Court of Justice, where bunch of our kids and presidents would end up jailed, but we'll do just the same with good ol' uncle Sam and his courts and laws. Better than UN, Sam can shoot to kill - and that also as a sentence.



posted on Jun, 19 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: babybunnies
Imagine if Saudi Arabia or Iran tried to prosecute American gays (as an example) in the United States "because there's no law against that in America". There would be a massive international incident and American Government saying "you can't do that".

But they seem to think the reverse is ok.


Hypocrisy at it's finest. USA should not be able to prosecute non-americans for crimes comitted outside USA.



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