America - You need to take a stand, this is not civilised...

a reply to: intrptr

City population of over 700,000.

Metro area population of over 2 million.

Sport.

ETA - realized I didn't fully reply: apparently I need to break it down Barney style for some. I should have been specific that the bored looks were on both sides of the aisle and not limited to the officers present.

Don't worry sport. I know the next line and I'll save you the time by typing it myself. "It's just propaganda."

No, it wasn't. Sport.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

No, but family members will often show up to voice their opinions. Some do so civilly. Others don't.

Which is entirely not my point. I brought it up in direct rebuttal to the comment that they are feared and loathed and blah blah blah.

Discourse works.

a reply to: and14263

Do you know what is not civilised?

Criminals running around with impunity.
Gang shootings daily.
The constant abuse of our legal system.
Millions of illegals running around with not a single care of the law.
Law-abiding citizens being ladened with onerous laws only they are obeying.
Politicians who protect the criminals and insult the victims.

That is what is not "civilised".

a reply to: Shamrock6

I called you sport because you called me buddy.

Dishing it out is easier than taking it…

I thought we were done? Am I being detained officer or can I go on my way?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: and14263

Do you know what is not civilised?

Criminals running around with impunity.
Gang shootings daily.
The constant abuse of our legal system.
Millions of illegals running around with not a single care of the law.
Law-abiding citizens being ladened with onerous laws only they are obeying.
Politicians who protect the criminals and insult the victims.

That is what is not "civilised".

And the Bush family!



Rest in peace Vincent

Just a quick question has the amount of cops killing people increased over the years?.

a reply to: intrptr

I thought we were too, yet you kept yapping away.

You may go now citizen. Thank you for your cooperation. No iso-cube today.

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: grandmakdw

Someone find over 1,100 different videos
of 1,100 different cops, in 1,100 different locations,

Police Brutality video search

Just under 3 million results. I'm sure lots are duplicates, but I'm also sure you can find 1,100 different videos with different cops in different locations. Enjoy.

Results on google or youtube do not equal the number.
There is way too much reposting of these items going on.
So that tells me and you absolutely nothing.

1,100 is 1% of the police force.

That would not be a real problem, there are many many,
if not all occupations with 1% of their members
being out and out psychotic, physicians, ministers, taxi drivers, RN's, all occupations.

The problem is when it approaches 11,000 separate instances,
with 11,000 different individuals, and in 11,000 separate locations,
and at 11,000 different times within lets be generous and say the past 2 years,
then the problem approaches 10%,
which still leaves 90% of the police being just fine in doing their job.

The number of Google or you tube results tell us absolutely nothing at all.
I would guess that just one of the well publicized incidents
had well over a million repostings on the world wide web
that would show up on Google and youtube and
many many other sites as well around the world.
So that is the worst possible evidence you can give,
and extremely lazy too, thinking that the number
of hits = the number of incidents. That is complete
balderdash.

And let's say you do find 11,000 totally unrelated instances,
wouldn't 10% of all Doctors be deficient to the point of being dangerous
in some way, most likely,
wouldn't 10% of all RN's be deficient and dangerous
to the point of being dangerous in some way,
as you would find in every single occupation on the face of the earth.
Why can I say that? Because on average
close to 20% of the entire population of the world
has severe issues of some kind
(I used to teach Human Development in university
and know that at every stage of life 20-25% of all people
have severe issues;
and probably 10% plus have issues that put others in danger).

You have not convinced me at all.

I still say that most of the respondents are

part of a mass psychosis

called "mean world syndrome"

and are deluded as to the actual

severity or rather lack of severity

of the problem.


Before those of you who have not read my first two posts
come screaming like banshees,
please read those posts before you respond.
(see pages 2 & 3 for those posts before
you make a fool of yourself)

a reply to: boymonkey74

I don't think anyone really knows because they have not kept accurate records on stats like that until fairly recently. Mostly it is speculation. It is also hard to determine because even if some began keeping records, not all did. I would assume that many departments have never had to kill anyone. Mostly happens in large cities with a lot of crime. Even though I am in Atlanta, the area I live in has their own police department and has never killed anyone that I know of.

a reply to: Shamrock6

It does. And i agree whole heartedly.

I mentioned to a cop in a nearby community that they needed to do some community outreach, like our FD does. They were offended at the notion. We need less of that, and more of what you are talking about.

And even more than that: there needs to be participation in the community. It is hard to distrust someone who is a cop when you spent 6 hours doing community related work shoulder to shoulder. There needs to be more "serve" in the average community. Sure, it may be rough going at first. Because bridges need to be built.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I realize the search results hits aren't an accurate indicator, there are videos in there that didn't even occur in the US. Still, I'm sure you could look through those videos and find thousands of separate incidents, if you want your 1,100 or, 11,000 as you've changed it to.

a reply to: boymonkey74

No one really knows because the actual/verifiable/real statistics are not kept by anyone nationally.

The national stats that are kept by the FBI, show a fairly steady 400-500 per year since 1995,
but there are problems with the FBI stats. We are currently standing at around 461 per year
according to the FBI which is higher than most years, but still within the range of 400-500.

Read this article:
fivethirtyeight.com...

According to that there has been an increase, but not a dramatic increase.

So according to the FBI,
at their last count
with 1,100,000 police officers in the US
500 people were killed "justifiably" (the only real stats we have are justifiable homicides)
That is less than 0.0005% of all police officers killed someone in the past year
Can Doctors say that less than 0.0005% of them killed someone in the past year just through negligence?

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: grandmakdw

I realize the search results hits aren't an accurate indicator, there are videos in there that didn't even occur in the US. Still, I'm sure you could look through those videos and find thousands of separate incidents, if you want your 1,100 or, 11,000 as you've changed it to.

1,100 is 1% of the police force nationally, if 1% are rotten apples we are fortunate indeed

11, 000 is 10% of the police force nationally, if 10% are rotten apples, that is not good, but not high for any profession, including MD's

Please see my above post as to the actual stats according to the FBI

If the FBI is correct (which they are not, they probably are under reporting I admit)
then I believe 500 (on the high side) police shootings, per 1 million 1 hundred thousand officers in the US
means a rate of 0.00005% of police in the US are involved in justifiable homicide per year

FBI statistics are a tad more reliable than any google/youtube search, don't you think?
Even if they are off by a factor of lets be generous and say 100%
that would mean the hypothetical times 100% of homicides by police
still means that 0.005%+ of police in the US are involved in homicide per year

Hmmmm, a huge percentage?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Just found this it says Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.



thefreethoughtproject.com...


Pretty damning reading to me.
This has to be a problem.

If the article is true that is lol.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Just found this it says Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.



thefreethoughtproject.com...


Pretty damning reading to me.
This has to be a problem.

What are the populations of the other first world nations?

I read the article and it was going on pure numbers alone.

Considering the US has 318 million people
Canada has 35 million people
One would expect to find that police in the US would kill
nearly 100 times the people killed in Canada per year.

The intellect of the writers of the article you
linked to did not know that the UK and England
were the same place.
They gave stats for UK separate from
stats for England
Does give one an indication of the validity of their assertions,
and of their intellectual level.

It is the same as saying more than twice as many white people
are killed by police as black people in the US every year.
A quite true statistic in pure numbers.
But not true when you look at the percentage per population
which gives a clearer picture, yes more blacks are killed percentage wise,
but numerically (as the authors of the article did),
whites are killed twice as often numerically by police.

a reply to: 200Plus

What conclusions are you referring to?

Why shouldn't one explain idiocy or psychosis?

You are quick too apply labels where they don't belong.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Just found this it says Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.



thefreethoughtproject.com...


Pretty damning reading to me.
This has to be a problem.

If the article is true that is lol.

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in that article. They initially state :

The tallying methods, or rather lack thereof, used by both the FBI and individual police departments to count the amount of people killed by police, have been shown to be staggeringly inaccurate.

Yet when they quote the numbers from other countries they assume they have been reported accurately....shows some bias.

Either way.....I will say again as I have before.....it is not the wild west here as it has been portrayed to everyone through the media....it is always focused on sensationalism, just as we always hear about children being molested by the entire government in the UK every day....I kinda doubt that is happening like it is reported here though I am sure it is happening on some level just as shootings happen on some level here.

My problem with a biased article is that they always try to skew things to fit the agenda.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Considering the US has 318 million people
Canada has 35 million people
One would expect to find that police in the US would kill nearly 100 times the people killed in Canada per year.

I think you mean that we should expect the police in the US to kill approximately 10 times the number of people killed by LEOs in Canada.

35 million x 10 = 350 million.

a reply to: grandmakdw

They gave stats for the UK which includes England, Scotland, Wales, NI and it says 1 person in 2014 and 0 in 2013 then it says in just England from 2010 to 2014 their was 4 which includes the one in 2014.