Children as young as 12 are receiving drugs to prepare them for sex change!

Has anyone coined the term, yet: "Ignorance of Ego?

It amazes me how some can say: "No, that is not your experience". "I know better".

Know better how? Because, it doesn't sit well with your thinking/belief?

a reply to: ParasuvO

yes you so got me nailed. well done you.

Personally, I would never allow any life-changing events to happen to my children under the age of 18. Yes, I have children.

On the other hand, I guess it's none of my business what others do with their children, short of physical or sexual abuse. It's not much different than forcing your kid to do something that you love so much without listening to them to see if they feel the same. But this is quite a bit more disturbing. OK, way more disturbing. Accepting them for who they think they are at that age is one thing, but physically changing your children with hormones before they are of adult age? Come on.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: JadeStar

I hope your posts and others who are trans can help others understand your reasons and that will lead to acceptance.
Well said.

Thank you. It is my hope that by being open here i can help in some way.

originally posted by: Annee
TY JadeStar

I admit, I was ignorant once to the diversity of sexualities. (Plus, I'm almost 70 -- different era)

That's ok and I just want to applaud you for being online. I know of people in my family your age or so, who are put off by computers and the internet so kudos to you for being here.

But, I LISTENED. I listened to those like you. Those with personal experience.

Ignorance is a choice.

Exactly. Especially in this day and age. Through communication comes knowledge and (hopefully) understanding. I think ATS is great for that and I am happy that you understand people like us better now.

a reply to: JadeStar

I'm glad things worked out for you.

But would you agree that not every child would benefit the same way you did?

Yup, let a 12 yr olsd iecide what they wants to be. Because when i was 12 i know what i liked.... Toys.. because girl had cooties on them and i didnt like them tilll i was 13-14.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
What is even more funny, is that they are STILL telling the child how they must choose, what if these people are something new, that do NOT WANT EITHER, this is going to get real ugly and weird fast.

They are not telling anyone they have to choose. Usually this is driven by the child themselves saying "here, please mom, dad, don't hate me but this is how I feel and I am unhappy." No one told me I had to choose. I told them what I was. It was that simple.

Also there are some people who identify themselves not as transgender but as bi-gender who chose not to make a choice either way but live either dual lives or androgynous ones. I met a bi-gender person of around my age fairly recently and I learned a lot from them about that.

I had thought people like them were just "confused" or "scared to choose" but in their case they truly were both. I realized how small-minded and ignorant I was in that very moment.

It all makes sense biologically because there are people who are born intersexed (having the sexual characteristics of both sexes) who used to be called hermaphrodites. So being bi-gender is kind of like the mental version of being intersexed from what I can tell from conversations with the person I referred to.

originally posted by: luciddream
Yup, let a 12 yr olsd iecide what they wants to be. Because when i was 12 i know what i liked.... Toys.. because girl had cooties on them and i didnt like them tilll i was 13-14.

Gender identity and sexual identity are two different things.

Gender identity deals with who you are as a person and how the world interacts with you.

Sexual identity deals with who you desire to be with in an intimate way.

The first is something most of us know by kindergarten.

The second comes much much later.

a reply to: JadeStar

So your saying its ok to mess with natural hormones process before they hit puberty?

originally posted by: queenofswords
Has the whole world gone mad? What is going on? This is not a rhetorical question....really, what is this all about?! Why are they pushing this?

The brain is not even fully developed until the mid 20's! Some studies have shown that 70%-80% of kids who had expressed transgendered feelings "spontaneously lost those feelings" over time.

Dr Carmichael said it was 'better' for children not to have gone through puberty before 'transitioning'. But she added: 'You are asking someone aged as young as 11 to make big decisions about their adult life and identity. We have to be very careful to keep options open.'

Transgender children?

Disgusting. This transgender nonsense is just getting out of hand and now like I always thought certain sections of our community are interfering with our children and brainwashing them into thinking they are something they are not through in your face vulgarity within our own communities - through certain agendas.

These AGENDAS are a blight to humanity and they are unnatural and I am not just talking about Trans here im talking about a few other things

originally posted by: luciddream
a reply to: JadeStar

So your saying its ok to mess with natural hormones process before they hit puberty?

Yes. Because puberty could be a life-changing problem if allowed to proceed for girls like me. And as was mentioned, if someone were to decide they really weren't a girl afterall (rare) then nothing was lost, they could resume male puberty as normal later.

Because just because something is natural doesn't make it beneficial to a person. There are plenty of things that are natural which people are often born with which we do not question treating or correcting before adulthood. See my earlier reference to those born with cleft pallet, or those born with other hormonal irregularities.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: queenofswords

Sounds like trauma programming to me, maybe the natural next step of mkultra and monarch.

Cheers - Dave

Thanks for that well thought out post. Not hysterical at all.

Makes sense, it's all about social engineering, destruction of the family system, making kids property of the "state," etc. You seem to be well programmed for this dysfunctional world, at least you appear to waving the torch for this dysfunctional process for kids that is open to tons of abuse by corrupt adults. It takes all kinds, but there is no virtue in being considered sane in an insane world.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: queenofswords

This whole 'Transgender' thing is really freeking me out of late. Why they pushing this? Also, it's the same with 'Gayism'.. Why they pushing that? It's as if they want the Human Race to stop Pro-creating!!

I know we need population Control but lets be sensible about it.

We don't want a World full of 'Transexuals' 'transgenders' and 'Gays'.

This was an interesting post. Something is definitely happening to our children.

Hear me out on this. For those of you who are going through this and are happy with your choice, I am glad for you and wish you only the best life has to offer. The following is merely food for thought.

Many parents are changing from being parents to being enablers. They are so tuned in to the "Kardashian" mentality, brainwashed by movies, TV, and social media, that they have no clue which way to turn when their children express some quirky traits or ideas.

They are so influenced by the tolerance meme that they have lost their rationality and common sense, and so they put their children's lives in the hands of so-called "experts" who are all too happy to perform expensive surgeries and hormone treatments.

Have we gone too far?

Did you know:
That in the last five years alone, the number of children referred to the NHS as a result of transgender feelings and confusion about their gender has quadrupled? www.telegraph.co.uk...

Pediatrics seeing growing number of cross-gender kids

Some will make the argument that they just feel more free to come out and express themselves. But, is that the full explanation? I don't really think so. Something is happening to our children indeed.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyesI read a news story about a kid younger than that who supposedly wanted to change, and he was being raised by (bet you can guess) an all-female couple. But, sure, it was all his idea, right?

I was raised by a normal couple and it was MY DAD who was first in understanding what I was saying about me being a girl.

His acceptance was slightly before that of my mom.

If you asked him he'd tell you that he tried to convince me otherwise and there was nothing he could do to stop me from sitting down to pee, spending time playing with my sisters old dolls, or wanting to to wear a girly costume for halloween every year.

I had to beg my mother to let me be a princess one year (the first year I was allowed) because initially she was not too thrilled with it (or me for saying that I was a girl tbh) until my sister and dad convinced her that my sister sewing me a costume out of some of her old clothes and fabric was cheaper than buying me a boy costume.

When she saw how happy I was she started to become convinced what I was saying was true and accepted me.

I was very unhappy as a child until I was allowed to live my truth at home and have the support of my parents in doing so.

Being put on testosterone blockers at 13 and starting hormone therapy was MY choice. No one else influenced me one way or the other. I was just VERY, very lucky to have been born into a family that was supportive and helped me be the well adjusted, societally productive, attractive (so I'm told) young woman I am.

What -is- sick and in my opinion were the abusive parents of a transgender girl I know who had to hide who she was until after high school after her parents caught her one day dressed up in her sisters clothes at age 11 when they came home early from a trip and reacted negatively.

She ended up going through male puberty but transitioned and due to her masculine features had to do sexwork to pay for expensive facial feminization surgery, electrolysis of her mustache and beard etc because no one wanted to hire her at a normal job.

Even though now she looks beautiful she has a guys voice which can be jarring to people not expecting to hear it come from her.

All of that could have been avoided.

She is still in sex work (doing webcam stuff for "tranny porn" sites) and conversely, I am in college studying. We're from the same town yet had two -totally- different outcomes based on how our parents reacted.

No but I know what you are but I also have no evidence.a reply to: ParasuvO

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
No but I know what you are but I also have no evidence.a reply to: ParasuvO

I just wanted to give a big hug to you for your openness in this thread. I thought I was the only one of this experience on ATS. Now I know I'm not completely alone

originally posted by: projectbane

originally posted by: queenofswords
Has the whole world gone mad? What is going on? This is not a rhetorical question....really, what is this all about?! Why are they pushing this?

The brain is not even fully developed until the mid 20's! Some studies have shown that 70%-80% of kids who had expressed transgendered feelings "spontaneously lost those feelings" over time.

Dr Carmichael said it was 'better' for children not to have gone through puberty before 'transitioning'. But she added: 'You are asking someone aged as young as 11 to make big decisions about their adult life and identity. We have to be very careful to keep options open.'

Transgender children?

Disgusting. This transgender nonsense is just getting out of hand and now like I always thought certain sections of our community are interfering with our children and brainwashing them into thinking they are something they are not through in your face vulgarity within our own communities - through certain agendas.

These AGENDAS are a blight to humanity and they are unnatural and I am not just talking about Trans here im talking about a few other things

Are you listening to those of us who go through this?

Who brainwashed me for example? I had about as normal a family situation as anyone else. One thing we didn't do was watch a lot of TV (my parents thought most of it was junk and they're right).

So which nefarious group brainwashed me? (sarcasm)

Have We Gone Too Far

One reason is that social norms have dramatically changed. It is now fashionable to embrace your diverse child. Parents who encourage their kids to change gender “are socially rewarded as wonderful and accepting,” while parents who try to take it slow “are seen as unaccepting, lacking in affection and conservative,” she says.

Pediatricians seeing growing number of cross-gender kids

Experts say increasing numbers of little kids are showing up in doctors offices insisting they were born into the body of the wrong sex — kids like Coy Mathis, the 6-year-old child banned from using the girls' bathroom at her Fountain school because she is biologically male.

"We're seeing it all across the state," said Dr. Daniel Reirden, a Children's Hospital Colorado physician who said his referrals "went up 200-fold" after he spoke on the issue of children and gender-identity disorder at a recent conference.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

You seem to be well programmed for this dysfunctional world

Lol, just lol

*ruffles your hair. off with you now.