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Claims by representatives of Russian military concern Almaz-Antey that a Ukrainian missile shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 in July last year are untrue, according to an analysis of experts from fact-checking project Bellingcat, news Web site Meduza has reported.
Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins said that the MH17 was destroyed by a Buk missile system that was transported through the territory controlled by the separatists in a truck on July 17 and 18.
"Apparently, the anti-aircraft missile system was equipped with 9M38M1 missiles, so we agree that this report refers to the same [type pf missile]. As for the trajectory of the missile, we rely on our research, according to which the launch site was south of Snizhne, which is different from the place indicated by Almaz-Antey" Higgins said.
"I am convinced that the experts of Almaz-Antey are lying about the launch site. That is why they made a proposal to recreate the crash of the aircraft, realizing that no one would agree to this. After all, who wants to buy an airplane that is just going to be shot down?" the Bellingcat founder added.
Journalists previously noted that the presentation by Almaz-Antey repeated almost verbatim a report leaked by “Russian engineers” to Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta about a month ago. It included pictures provided by the Russian Defense Ministry indicating that the launch was from the village of Zaroschenske.
Shortly before the press conference of Almaz-Antey, Bellingcat released its own report, which indicated that those pictures were fake.
The pictures were later removed from the Almaz-Antey report.
Do you mean the Russian governments overall version or the technical report from the company that builds the BUK.
They aren't use to people challenging the government line and it very much shows why Russia is in the mess its in.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: the2ofusr1
So two Ukrainian jets were shot down over rebel territory and the rebels didn't mention anything about it?
As time passes and evidence emerges it's hard to say exactly how and what went down . The main report is still in limbo it seems so we will have to wait ,probably for the edited version like the 911 report .the 28 pages that is . Any how here is a vid of a guy that loaded munitions on the su25 and he has some interesting things to say /
Much in the way things become considered as truth in some circles .
Secondly what does 9/11 have to do with the topic of this thread?
It happened over Ukraine and they had the ability to . Editing Wiki is funny in a sense as for it to have the story up within 24 hours is amazing as there was not much out other then msm and bloggers trying to report it . The first I had read was that the rebels did it .Next it was Putin .That was well before Russia released their radar stuff and the Italian air traffic controller jumping into the freay .
within the first 24 hours Russia blamed Ukraine for MH17 and then edited their version of Wikipedia to denote Ukraine was behind it
There is a official investigation going on to determine the facts .So far there has been theories and one of them may be correct but it could be possible that the truth when it does get published mat be something different . None of the theories have all the facts and some facts seem to contradict each other . Time will tell us once all the info and witnesses have had their input . Who knows maybe there is a piece of evidence that would clearly show or say what happened .
I think the Kremlin / Russian Rebels are not comprehending the fact that its not the 1980s anymore and that claims from Russia / Russian rebels aren't going to be taken at face value. People are going to follow up on claims - As Reagan said "Trust but verify".
None of the theories have all the facts and some facts seem to contradict each other .