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Conspiracy - How Big Business Invented the Theology of 'Christian Libertarianism' ...

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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Entreri06


Tho is agree with your post. I'm not sure it's a bad thing. Look at how Christians behaved BEFORE being co-opted!!

We think present day Christians are crazy, but they had NOTHING on the pre 1950 sickos. Present day Christians are against gay marriage. Pre new deal Christians burned gays! Present day Christians deny science, previous ones BURNED scientists!!!

Thank god corporate America brainwashed them!!


Yeah, burning gays and scientists was very popular in America in the early 20th century.
So much so in fact they had to hide it and erase it from all history books and other sources.



There's a big difference between what happened 100 years ago and 400.
The church got out of the business of burning people alive several centuries ago.




I think everyone gets the point and last time I checked the 1600s were BEFORE the 1950s . :p


Of course they didn't burn scientists in the 1950s, they were too busy burning blacks and crosses!




posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd


When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.


That's how it happened and is still happening today.

I apologize if my comment was too off-topic for the original intent of your thread.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It doesn't help that Libertarianism promotes values that are anti-Christian like greed and self-interest over public interest.



I'm an atheist but I disagree. IMHO something most Christians would agree with when asked.....

Christianity is about choice! It's about freedom!


Look at the HUGE importance placed on free will. That is what god gave us that made us superior to both angels, demons and animals. You can call it free will, conciousness or a soul. Either way your talking about the same thing.




Well what most evangelicals forget is. That the sin has to be available for you to choose not to do it!

You have to have the freedom of and from religion so people can choose to be Christian.

You have to have the freedom to have an abortion so you can choose not to.



It's not the lack of temptation that makes you a Christian. It's doing the Christian thing in the face of temptation.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It still never got the votes.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
I, for one, am just glad we have another "Christians are idiot-dupes" thread.

We just don't get enough of these.

Would love to knowhow the leftists and progressives avoided the brainwashing!


There's so many?


Anything that teaches hate and cruelty we're naturally averse to.

Look at the Christian Left.
edit on 6/8/2015 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It still never got the votes.


True. My response wasn't an argument with that fact, it was an attempt to explain why it's true. REAL Libertarians' numbers are relatively few. These so-called "Christian Libertarians" (who are neither Christian nor Libertarian, IMO) number in the millions and vote with the Christian right, who are very supportive of "freedom", as long as it's the freedoms they agree with.

A REAL Libertarian will support the freedom of all people, even those with whom they disagree, which I find a highly respectable quality.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: theantediluvian

And yet I wonder in how many churches in black neighborhoods have politicians pushed their campaigns and used the "bully pulpit" to push their agendas?


I think you're ignoring a fundamental difference. The GOP has marketed itself as the party that is defending "traditional (Christian) family values" has it not? Maybe it's just a coincidence that "traditional family values" align perfectly with "Christian morality?"

Somehow I think think that's not the case. At least from the GOP perspective, it seems that "American values," "traditional family values" and "Christian values" are synonymous. Take a look at the section for Renewing American Values on the GOP website; their very first bullet pointed policy position is "Preserving and Protecting Traditional Marriage." Here's another one, "Making the Internet Family-Friendly" which includes such things as "We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department’s decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting. The Internet must be made safe for children." and "Current laws on all forms of pornography and obscenity need to be vigorously enforced." Then there's "Protecting Individual Conscience in Healthcare" which as we all remember from Hobby Lobby is really just code for letting employers exclude things like contraception coverage from insurance policies.

Meanwhile, here's a list of the issues from the Democrat's website:


Civil Rights
Education
Energy Independence
Environment
Health Care
Immigration Reform
Jobs and the Economy
National Security
Open Government
Retirement Security
Science and Technology
Voting Rights


Perhaps you could point out a few of the common positions of the mainstream American left that are largely tied to/based in religion because these heathens don't seem to have anything about "American Values" on their site anywhere.
edit on 2015-6-8 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: FyreByrd

This is very interesting and explains a whole lot. It explains, to a degree, why so many vote against their own interests. Thanks for posting!


How does voting in favor personal rights and personal responsibility alongside all of the potential opportunities for personal benefits that come along with these ideologies represent being "against your own interests?" I sincerely ask this because I just don't see it. The vast majority of the Christian Libertarian policies equal more money in earner's wallets after taxes, more purchasing power associated with that money, and less restrictions on what can be done with that money. None of that is even remotely in conflict with my interests.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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In the past few days, I was actually thinking about this exact same subject.

It's amazing how many so-called fundamentalist Christian's economic way of thinking is the exact opposite of the teachings of the bible. I didn't read about blaming and belittling the poor - only about help. But yet, they feel it's ok to "interpret" these sections so they keep more money for themselves.

Even their church tithing has become more like an insurance and entertainment pool for THEMSELVES. I know most people go just so they can network (find jobs and business contacts) for their family and themselves.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

Meanwhile, here's a list of the issues from the Democrat's website:


Civil Rights
Education
Energy Independence
Environment
Health Care
Immigration Reform
Jobs and the Economy
National Security
Open Government
Retirement Security
Science and Technology
Voting Rights


Perhaps you could point out a few of the common positions of the mainstream American left that are largely tied to/based in religion because these heathens don't seem to have anything about "American Values" on their site anywhere.


Doesn't surprise me one bit that "American Values" are excluded from Democrat's websites.




posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 06:11 PM
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As a side note, I don't think the term Libertarian is fair. They did a good job of brainwashing people into thinking big government is good for some things but horrible for economic help.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

www.truth-out.org...:why-do-conservatives-vote-against-their-own-interests
www.dailykos.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

When the left uses the pulpit to push it's agenda, and is given a pass. . . .

yet conservative pulpit orations are defamed, then I see a conflict, or hypocrisy.

But then again, I'm just a stupid Christian.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: theantediluvian

When the left uses the pulpit to push it's agenda, and is given a pass. . . .

yet conservative pulpit orations are defamed, then I see a conflict, or hypocrisy.

But then again, I'm just a stupid Christian.



That's because the left wraps it's propaganda in helping the poor. While the right pretends the left and all the worlds media sources are in some vast conspiracy to destroy America.


Both are propaganda for sure, But one is way easier to debunk then the other.....and we all know humanity almost always takes the path of least resistance.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Entreri06

I guess what fluffs my fur is that while it is all good and well to illustrate manipulation and social engineering on the right, it is intellectually disingenuous to ignore it when the left does the same damned thing.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: theantediluvian

Meanwhile, here's a list of the issues from the Democrat's website:


Civil Rights
Education
Energy Independence
Environment
Health Care
Immigration Reform
Jobs and the Economy
National Security
Open Government
Retirement Security
Science and Technology
Voting Rights


Perhaps you could point out a few of the common positions of the mainstream American left that are largely tied to/based in religion because these heathens don't seem to have anything about "American Values" on their site anywhere.


Doesn't surprise me one bit that "American Values" are excluded from Democrat's websites.




Y'all haven't figured out those type quotes are just meaningless propaganda. It means they don't have an actual answer, so they say some BS that sounds good but is inapplicable.


Like American values.... Who's American values? Yours? Mine? The founding fathers???? Every couple decades we have brand new value systems. So which one?


Or

Like "someone just needs to show leadership" what kind of leadership exactly? What policy means leadership to you?


There are a million others. On the left they use "well that's racist" when it has nothing to do with race. It's all economic standing.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06

Of course they didn't burn scientists in the 1950s, they were too busy burning blacks and crosses!


... and looking for commies under bed...



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: FyreByrd

This is very interesting and explains a whole lot. It explains, to a degree, why so many vote against their own interests. Thanks for posting!


How does voting in favor personal rights and personal responsibility alongside all of the potential opportunities for personal benefits that come along with these ideologies represent being "against your own interests?" I sincerely ask this because I just don't see it. The vast majority of the Christian Libertarian policies equal more money in earner's wallets after taxes, more purchasing power associated with that money, and less restrictions on what can be done with that money. None of that is even remotely in conflict with my interests.


The post says "...why so many vote against their own interests..."



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Doesn't surprise me one bit that "American Values" are excluded from Democrat's websites.


What are "American Values", though? Civil Rights? Equality?Voting Rights? Health Care? The Environment? Freedom?

Yes, the term "American Values" is not there because it means absolutely NOTHING. It's a nice talking point, but it means different things to different people. According to theantediluvian's post, the first bullet point on the GOP platform is to deny marriage to gay people, a position that comes directly from the Christian holy book (or so they have been convinced) AND one that denies equality, freedom and civil rights to some citizens. Trying to disguise that as "American Values" is a lame attempt to spout "patriotism" while acting in direct opposition to it.
edit on 6/9/2015 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
... while it is all good and well to illustrate manipulation and social engineering on the right, it is intellectually disingenuous to ignore it when the left does the same damned thing.


It IS intellectually disingenuous to ignore it when the left does the same damned thing. This thread happens to be about a specific subject (How Big Business Invented the Theology of 'Christian Libertarianism'), so that's what we're discussing, but the left has its own issues and there's no shortage of discussion about it here. All you've done in this thread is complain that we're discussing it because it's "your team". I could easily point to many other threads (in which you've been active) that illustrate the left's social engineering and manipulation of the voting block.

What do you want? The Fairness Doctrine on ATS?




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