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Conspiracy - How Big Business Invented the Theology of 'Christian Libertarianism' ...

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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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I though it was time for another Monday morning drive-by thread.

An interesting article from my daily reading by a Princeton History Professor:

After some background:



As the 1930s came to a close, corporate leaders looked over the returns on their investment and realized the millions spent had not swayed public opinion in the slightest.

The image of big business still needed repackaging.

In a 1939 address to the US Chamber of Commerce, H.W. Prentis of the Armstrong Cork Company proposed the way forward. “Economic facts are important, but they will never check the virus of collectivism,” he warned; “the only antidote is a revival of American patriotism and religious faith.”

Prentis’ speech thrilled the Chamber and boardrooms across America. Soon propelled to NAM’s presidency, he continued to tell corporate leaders to get religion.


Gosh this in interesting:


When he took office, Eisenhower parted ways with his earlier allies. Although the president was personally sympathetic to their complaints, he concluded that “the mass of the people” disagreed. And so, to the consternation of Christian libertarians, Eisenhower gave a bipartisan stamp of approval to the New Deal and, indeed, even expanded its reach over his two terms in office. He significantly enlarged Social Security, increased federal education funding, and launched the greatest public works program of the postwar era: the interstate highway system


Again refering to Eisenhower

Most significantly, Congress added the words “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and made “In God We Trust” the country’s first official motto in 1956.


This is a history article with facts taking the fore. It's a real conspiracy - as opposed to a 'maybe' made up one. The kind that can destroy a country.

Happy Monday friends




posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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Yea, I've been trying to correct this misunderstanding around here for a while. The religious right movement is a recent concoction meant to make the elites more money by appealing to god.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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Their religion is money...

Big business that is.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

How profit machines appropriated Christianity to increase profits.

It's not their fault. In all seriousness. They are amoral machines. There is no end to this. No satisfaction. No pause. No reflection. No conscience and no fault in a moral sense.

The new secret trade agreements are the next step. Profit machines will have super-sovereign and super human rights. I guess people will see the battle lines more clearly after corporations start forcing sovereign nations and people to take their products against their will.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: FyreByrd

How profit machines appropriated Christianity to increase profits.

It's not their fault. In all seriousness. They are amoral machines. There is no end to this. No satisfaction. No pause. No reflection. No conscience and no fault in a moral sense.

The new secret trade agreements are the next step. Profit machines will have super-sovereign and super human rights. I guess people will see the battle lines more clearly after corporations start forcing sovereign nations and people to take their products against their will.


I assume you've seen "The Corporation" then.

Off to worky-worky.
edit on 8-6-2015 by FyreByrd because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I assume there is a link to the whole article?



mind reading isn't my specialty today.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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Here in the UK we don't use terms such as that for politics and religion, there are perhaps similarities but nothing like the US patriotism and vocal Christian groups.

Perhaps we need a bit more of that here, actual constructive patriotism (not the England flag football sort) and perhaps even Christian groups speaking up instead of laying down and allowing politics trampling over the supposed nation's religion and ethics.

That said, I think it would be a good idea if the UK and EU stopped modelling itself on the US generally. Sometimes I wonder if it is all US led, due to business, trade etc, or some guys sporting zero hindsight making international policies.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
I though it was time for another Monday morning drive-by thread.

An interesting article from my daily reading by a Princeton History Professor:

After some background:



As the 1930s came to a close, corporate leaders looked over the returns on their investment and realized the millions spent had not swayed public opinion in the slightest.

The image of big business still needed repackaging.

In a 1939 address to the US Chamber of Commerce, H.W. Prentis of the Armstrong Cork Company proposed the way forward. “Economic facts are important, but they will never check the virus of collectivism,” he warned; “the only antidote is a revival of American patriotism and religious faith.”

Prentis’ speech thrilled the Chamber and boardrooms across America. Soon propelled to NAM’s presidency, he continued to tell corporate leaders to get religion.


Gosh this in interesting:


When he took office, Eisenhower parted ways with his earlier allies. Although the president was personally sympathetic to their complaints, he concluded that “the mass of the people” disagreed. And so, to the consternation of Christian libertarians, Eisenhower gave a bipartisan stamp of approval to the New Deal and, indeed, even expanded its reach over his two terms in office. He significantly enlarged Social Security, increased federal education funding, and launched the greatest public works program of the postwar era: the interstate highway system


Again refering to Eisenhower

Most significantly, Congress added the words “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and made “In God We Trust” the country’s first official motto in 1956.


This is a history article with facts taking the fore. It's a real conspiracy - as opposed to a 'maybe' made up one. The kind that can destroy a country.

Happy Monday friends





Tho is agree with your post. I'm not sure it's a bad thing. Look at how Christians behaved BEFORE being co-opted!!

We think present day Christians are crazy, but they had NOTHING on the pre 1950 sickos. Present day Christians are against gay marriage. Pre new deal Christians burned gays! Present day Christians deny science, previous ones BURNED scientists!!!



Thank god corporate America brainwashed them!!



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

This is very interesting and explains a whole lot. It explains, to a degree, why so many vote against their own interests. Thanks for posting!

If the elite (wealthy 1% and corporations) wanted to get the backing and support of the majority of the people in the country, to whom would they appeal? The largest, most fervent and willing group in the country, of course.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06


Tho is agree with your post. I'm not sure it's a bad thing. Look at how Christians behaved BEFORE being co-opted!!

We think present day Christians are crazy, but they had NOTHING on the pre 1950 sickos. Present day Christians are against gay marriage. Pre new deal Christians burned gays! Present day Christians deny science, previous ones BURNED scientists!!!

Thank god corporate America brainwashed them!!


Yeah, burning gays and scientists was very popular in America in the early 20th century.
So much so in fact they had to hide it and erase it from all history books and other sources.



There's a big difference between what happened 100 years ago and 400.
The church got out of the business of burning people alive several centuries ago.
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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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Another interesting thing about Henning W. Prentiss, Jr's speech (published later under the titles The Cult of Competency and Industrial Management in a Republic) is that it is apparently the first appearance of what has come to be known as the "Tytler Cycle" (because of its popular misattribution to Alexander Tytler).

Despite that the fact that no such work by Tytler is ever known to have existed, the fabricated excerpt from the fictitious The Fall of the Athenian Republic (sometimes cited as The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic) has been quoted often since it first made the rounds as part of an email making the rounds during the 2000 presidential election:


The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."


Google "Tytler Cycle" and you'll see thousands of idiots blindly repeating the same disinformation because they think it's from a historically grounded, scholarly treatise written during the Revolutionary era (when good God fearing men were all divinely inspired and spoke nothing but profound truths). It's got a little bit of everything: liberty won through courage born of spiritual faith, times of abundance and of course the inevitable fall from greatness and return to bondage once too many people join the ranks of the filthy dependent poor.

Townhall.com (2012):


Much as I favor the GOP, one party’s victory won’t instantly dispel those doubts. For they arise from what a smart investor or a winning coach calls the fundamentals. Those who are short-selling the USA take note of the actuarial tables for the rise and fall of great nations – which predict a lifespan of about 250 years – and the indicators of slackness in our national character.

They look at what has been called the Tytler cycle, whereby a people climbs up from bondage through faith and courage to liberty and abundance, but then slides down through complacency and apathy into dependency and finally into bondage again. Detractors see America in the late afternoon of our greatness, with darkness coming on. Can we prove them wrong? Absolutely, but it will take more than campaign slogans.


Apparently it will take ignorant propagandists with an even a less informed and easily misled audience?

EDIT:

Here's a link to the speech in PDF form and below, the excerpt that has been pulled from it and later misattributed to Tytler (and sometimes Alexis de Tocqueville), my bold:


Paradoxically enough, the release of initiative and enterprise made possible by popular self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from within. Again and again after freedom has brought opportunity and some degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and complacent; the incompetent and the unfortunate grow envious and covetous, and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of freedom to worship the Golden Calf of economic security. The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy, from apathy
to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.

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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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I really have a hard time understanding how you can be a Christian and a Libertarian, the two are mutually exclusive.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It doesn't help that Libertarianism promotes values that are anti-Christian like greed and self-interest over public interest.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
I though it was time for another Monday morning drive-by thread.

An interesting article from my daily reading by a Princeton History Professor:

After some background:



As the 1930s came to a close, corporate leaders looked over the returns on their investment and realized the millions spent had not swayed public opinion in the slightest.

The image of big business still needed repackaging.

In a 1939 address to the US Chamber of Commerce, H.W. Prentis of the Armstrong Cork Company proposed the way forward. “Economic facts are important, but they will never check the virus of collectivism,” he warned; “the only antidote is a revival of American patriotism and religious faith.”

Prentis’ speech thrilled the Chamber and boardrooms across America. Soon propelled to NAM’s presidency, he continued to tell corporate leaders to get religion.


Gosh this in interesting:


When he took office, Eisenhower parted ways with his earlier allies. Although the president was personally sympathetic to their complaints, he concluded that “the mass of the people” disagreed. And so, to the consternation of Christian libertarians, Eisenhower gave a bipartisan stamp of approval to the New Deal and, indeed, even expanded its reach over his two terms in office. He significantly enlarged Social Security, increased federal education funding, and launched the greatest public works program of the postwar era: the interstate highway system


Again refering to Eisenhower

Most significantly, Congress added the words “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and made “In God We Trust” the country’s first official motto in 1956.


This is a history article with facts taking the fore. It's a real conspiracy - as opposed to a 'maybe' made up one. The kind that can destroy a country.

Happy Monday friends



Yeah, whether or not you agree with it, Jesus' philosophy was NOT capitalistic NOR libertarian... In fact, there is a reason that he has been quoted by socialist scholars for a long time.

For years the first church in Jerusalem most definitely followed communal socialistic patterns. It is even listed in examples of historic "primitive" or proto-communism.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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I, for one, am just glad we have another "Christians are idiot-dupes" thread.

We just don't get enough of these.

Would love to knowhow the leftists and progressives avoided the brainwashing!



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, I consider myself a Libertarian and I am pretty sure I am not greedy and self-interested.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Religious Right's social issues that a Libertarian does not have an issue with.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

I really have a hard time understanding how you can be a Christian and a Libertarian, the two are mutually exclusive.


I wouldn't say they are exclusive but, they are certainly unrelated.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

I wouldn't say they are exclusive but, they are certainly unrelated.


How can someone who holds conservative social views be a Libertarian? The very definition is to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It doesn't help that Libertarianism promotes values that are anti-Christian like greed and self-interest over public interest.


Voluntarism is self-interested, anti-Christian, greedy, and against the public interest?



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