A Question About The Great Pyramid

This video made me think again about the whole pyramid enigma. It's long but tries to add other views, not from historians but from specialist in constructions, stone cutting etc... very interesting indeed.

Since I'm no scientist, I really can't support/debunk this stuff but I'd love to ear from knowledgeable people here on this video.

Thanks for your time

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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

Here this is part 3 of a series that delves right in to the great pyramid,talks about how it is actually an 8 sided pyramid,also explains how the sides added up together make the speed of light,the pyramid is built using the golden mean ratio....etc etc,...enjoy

Here you go!

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Awesome!, I got as far as the explanation about how the energy from the Ley lines was used to choose the length of the meter so that it would produce the correct speed of light.

Trying to decrypt the great pyramid makes reading the plaque on the Pioneer spacecraft look like a childrens book.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Thank you kindly.....

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You are welcome, and funny thing I just saw the quote in your signature and I just used that line on my spouse. I, also, just did a thread on famous movie quotes, check it out.

I wanted to reply to a post a page or two (or 3?) back but I wasnt signed in and - anyway, someone said they wondered if anyone had ever written down the hieroglyphs that have been referred to in a couople historical accounts -

I have wondered this very thing as well as this - What is the earliest representation of the Pyramids known? Did the ancient Greeks or Persians or anyone make drawings of the Pyramids, hopefully with the casing stones? Tho I'm sure if any such drawing or carving or such existed it would be well known, but it always seems odd to me that nothing seems to have come down from the ancients - even the ones whoo indicated seeing writing or symbols on the Pyramid - that showed these intriguing descriptions in a drawing or painting or some such. Or has anyone heard of something that maybe I haven't?

I do recall reading something years back, before my interest in the Pyramids had grown into its current form, about an ancient Egyptian Vase that apparently depicted the 3 main Giza Pyramids, but as the Vase itself was dated to a time before the pyramids were generally believed built, the vase was supposedly kept in an obscure museum corner somewhere. But I could never find any details on this vase or where it was housed, so just figured it was one of the many false reports of made up stuff in an area where the truth is already interesting enough with any embellishment needed.

So haas anyone heard of any representations throughout history of the main Pyramids?

originally posted by: NewtonDKC
I do recall reading something years back, before my interest in the Pyramids had grown into its current form, about an ancient Egyptian Vase that apparently depicted the 3 main Giza Pyramids, but as the Vase itself was dated to a time before the pyramids were generally believed built, the vase was supposedly kept in an obscure museum corner somewhere. But I could never find any details on this vase or where it was housed, so just figured it was one of the many false reports of made up stuff in an area where the truth is already interesting enough with any embellishment needed.

The detail you remember was scratched into the surface of an Ostrich egg.

It was supposedly discovered by Mallaby Cecil Firth in 1907 in a tomb dating back to the Naqada I culture.

Like you, I've not been able to verify that. Also, it is often claimed this shell resides in the Nubian Museum.

If you can find it there, let me know.

Link to pic: Click Here

After you look at that, look at this.
Link to Nubian pyramids photo. link

If one must insist that these markings are pyramids, then one must also admit they look far more like Nubian pyramids than Egyptian.

There's enough info in this post for you to find some online articles/postings concerning the shell. One of them is even an ATS post. Not wanting to send traffic or views to these sites (or that poster,) I'll leave it to you to google it up, if you are that interested.

Harte

Fantastic Harte thank you so much for that! And yes, will research that, and no idea how I thought it was a vase!

As for the Pyramids, certainly a lot of out there and unverified (and unverifiable) claims have been made, but what has really cemented my interest in them and a belief that history is not anywhere close to what we have been taught is the work of Petrie and more recently Chris Dunn. The precision that he discusses is something only an engineer could appreciate and identify, and as he says, its not like a Pharoah can just say "I want a perfectly flat coffer and a mirror image statue" - such concepts have to actually exist for one to even be aware of them to request them -certainly not conceepts or capabilities we would expect to find in a 5,000 year old culture. Theres so many other confounding structures in Egypt and around the World that simply cannot be the work of primitive cultures that the people who refuse to properly review such examples are as deluded and close minded as the so called kooks they slam for their own wacky ideas. I'm all for skepticism, but when an engineer can point out precision workmanship in very hard rock that only became possible in the past 50-60 years, it points to something significantly at odds with the traditional view of ancient history. And that is all he does - shows the hard evidence and relates it to current engineering know how, the difficulty involved and how it was developed and analagous projects in the modern world. Whether it was advanced cultures before any modern scholar accepts such things were possible, aliens, or something we havent even considered is left to the reader, and that is an approach I find very palatable. show us what truly is anomalous, and explain why but leave all the stuff that cannot be known to others to speculate.

originally posted by: NewtonDKC
Fantastic Harte thank you so much for that! And yes, will research that, and no idea how I thought it was a vase!

As for the Pyramids, certainly a lot of out there and unverified (and unverifiable) claims have been made, but what has really cemented my interest in them and a belief that history is not anywhere close to what we have been taught is the work of Petrie and more recently Chris Dunn. The precision that he discusses is something only an engineer could appreciate and identify, and as he says, its not like a Pharoah can just say "I want a perfectly flat coffer and a mirror image statue" - such concepts have to actually exist for one to even be aware of them to request them -certainly not conceepts or capabilities we would expect to find in a 5,000 year old culture. Theres so many other confounding structures in Egypt and around the World that simply cannot be the work of primitive cultures that the people who refuse to properly review such examples are as deluded and close minded as the so called kooks they slam for their own wacky ideas. I'm all for skepticism, but when an engineer can point out precision workmanship in very hard rock that only became possible in the past 50-60 years, it points to something significantly at odds with the traditional view of ancient history. And that is all he does - shows the hard evidence and relates it to current engineering know how, the difficulty involved and how it was developed and analagous projects in the modern world. Whether it was advanced cultures before any modern scholar accepts such things were possible, aliens, or something we havent even considered is left to the reader, and that is an approach I find very palatable. show us what truly is anomalous, and explain why but leave all the stuff that cannot be known to others to speculate.

You're welcome.

I should say that Ancient Egypt was in no way a "primitive culture."

Even before the First Dynasty Egyptians were facing stone with perfectly flat surfaces.

As an engineer myself, I am not impressed with Dunn at all.

Harte

A triangle has three angles, the pyramid has 5 sides, one side (bottom) has four angles.
Am I missing something?
reply to: AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

Hi all....It seems very probable that the "8 faces" of the core of the Giza pyramid were designed to add build stability....The outer casing probably designed with 4 faces to allow the Tura limestone casing to be even more white and reflective....However that is only some of the "point"....The Giza pyramid does not have 4 or even 8 faces....It has 9 internal faces and 5 external faces....That "extra" face demonstrates the pure simplicity and yet the more complicated thinking behind its "design"...That extra face is actually the base which is the base from which the rest of the pyramid grows and becomes alive....That extra face is aligned to the sun stars moon depending on what pre-concepts you bring to the discussion...That extra face is actually the base of the pyramid and marks the geological spot of 30 degrees north which is one of those things that the builders hid in plain sight....For this reason....People can choose to discuss its use....its orientation...its secret and inner workings...all of which are down to personal belief and interpretation .....But WHERE it is is beyond dispute....The society that built the pyramid used religion numerology mathematics astronomy etc as a way of putting forth ideas and formulas and meanings.....Discover the meaning of why it was built where it was and you may have a better understanding of its purpose and position...Peace

a reply to: ZZman4500

Are you claiming the "base" of the pyramid is a "9th face?" the base of the pyramid is carved from the living bedrock, it is stepped and mounded to save both labor and material, it is not planar in the least. The first several course of the pyramid abut this internal mound.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

That's a really good question. I would assume that the casing stones would probably not have reflected the angles that give it "eight sides", since they are so minute and the casing stones would have been (relatively) thick. That's strictly a guess, however.

Harte? Hanslune? Any insight?

There's no historical reference describing the eight sides we see.

Why it's that way is currently (and probably forever) unknown.

Harte

There is a possibility that the structure was built in quadrants having them all lean inward. This would allow for adjustments as they went along.

I have thought of maybe they incorporated the extra sides to channel water but than I started think about the stories how the pyramids would shine like a diamond and could be seen from the mountains of Israel. Made me think that the extra angle would help in light dispersion. There are some theories that the pyramids harnessed prism refraction.

But one thing for sure is that they were built to be seen from afar and maybe the play on light with white casing stones but then again there are stories from ancient times that claimed the pyramid was lined in black or reddish stone 1/4 way up

originally posted by: NewtonDKC
I wanted to reply to a post a page or two (or 3?) back but I wasnt signed in and - anyway, someone said they wondered if anyone had ever written down the hieroglyphs that have been referred to in a couople historical accounts -

I have wondered this very thing as well as this - What is the earliest representation of the Pyramids known? Did the ancient Greeks or Persians or anyone make drawings of the Pyramids, hopefully with the casing stones? Tho I'm sure if any such drawing or carving or such existed it would be well known, but it always seems odd to me that nothing seems to have come down from the ancients - even the ones whoo indicated seeing writing or symbols on the Pyramid - that showed these intriguing descriptions in a drawing or painting or some such. Or has anyone heard of something that maybe I haven't?

I do recall reading something years back, before my interest in the Pyramids had grown into its current form, about an ancient Egyptian Vase that apparently depicted the 3 main Giza Pyramids, but as the Vase itself was dated to a time before the pyramids were generally believed built, the vase was supposedly kept in an obscure museum corner somewhere. But I could never find any details on this vase or where it was housed, so just figured it was one of the many false reports of made up stuff in an area where the truth is already interesting enough with any embellishment needed.

So haas anyone heard of any representations throughout history of the main Pyramids?

May favourite is from Diodorus Siculus. (c. 56-60 BC) - (Book I, 63.4-64.14).

(Extract from: Diodorus Siculus (56 BC) from Book I, 63.4-64.14

He tells us that in his day, the Pyramid stood 'complete and without the least decay, and yet it lacked its apex stone'.

Diodorus also states that the remains of Cheops were never buried therein. (7).

Extract from Petrie: Diodorus Siculus states the distance of the Pyramids from the Nile with great accuracy The base of the Great Pyramid he gives as 7 plethra, or 700 Greek feet, as against 747 such feet in reality; hence he is accurate to less than half a plethron. The height, he says, is more than 6 plethra; the arris height is actually just over 7 plethra, when complete. He mentions the fine preservation of the stone, and that the original jointing was uninjured by time, showing that the fine joints attracted his attention.

It is noticeable that he slightly underrates all the Pyramids, his statements being respectively .94, .87, and .88 of the truth. He states that the sides up to the 15th course were of black stone; actually it seems probable that the dark red granite ended at the 16th course : and he says that the upper part was cased with the same stone as the other Pyramids, which is plainly true to anyone who sees the angular fragments lying thickly around it.

Though Vyse was disappointed at not finding the name of Menkaura inscribed over the doorway, yet Diodorus only says that it was on the N. side of the Pyramid; hence it was probably on the fine limestone above the granite.

Note - Diodorus mentions a step carved into the second (Khafre's) pyramid face.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

(Extract from: Diodorus Siculus (56 BC) from Book I, 63.4-64.14

It is noticeable that he slightly underrates all the Pyramids, his statements being respectively .94, .87, and .88 of the truth. He states that the sides up to the 15th course were of black stone; actually it seems probable that the dark red granite ended at the 16th course : and he says that the upper part was cased with the same stone as the other Pyramids, which is plainly true to anyone who sees the angular fragments lying thickly around it.

The white Tura limestone casing can still be found near the base of the GP:



Harte

a reply to: Harte

144,000 of those casing stones. On a sidebar, it is interesting the correlations with biblical numbers.

I find it fascinating that there isnt too much mention of the great pyramids in biblical and historical text dating in the b.c

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: Harte

144,000 of those casing stones. On a sidebar, it is interesting the correlations with biblical numbers.

I find it fascinating that there isnt too much mention of the great pyramids in biblical and historical text dating in the b.c

Your number of 144,000 was invented by J.P. Lepre and spread by fringe authors who linked it to the bible, so its not at all surprising that there's a correlation. Egyptologists (J.P. Lepre doesn't qualify) usually give a number of around 80,000

Pochan (16), quotes Herodotus concerning the ten years preparatory work on Khufu's pyramid as follows:

'...So the ten years were for this (the causeway), and also for the underground chambers on the hill where the pyramids stand, which he made as a tomb for himself in an island, bringing a channel from the Nile..', and with regards Khafre's pyramid ' for there are neither chambers under the earth beneath it, nor doth a channel come into it from the Nile, like that which floweth into the other through a conduit of masonry and encircles an island within, where Cheops himself is said to lie..'

Some of the oldest accounts of the GP states that it was not tomb.

Josephus. - Extract from Seiss (15)

'Josephus the learned scribe, gives it as historical fact that Seth and his immediate descendants "were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies and their order. And their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was going to be destroyed, they made two pillars (Note: Masonic association), the one of brick, the other of stone. They inscribed their discoveries on both of them, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain and exhibit these discoveries to mankind." He also said, "Now this (pillar) remains in the land of siriad (Egypt) to this day." (Jewish antiquities, I, 2).

These accounts are from B.c. That would explain all the math and information written in its construction. Made for the intelligent future. No riches to steal and profit from, no writing to be debated or political/religious markings as the builders knew man would deface and destroy, rob and forget. Its riches are found in its construction. The information contained within is timeless and made for intelligent man and would not be thrown away to the scavengers and robbers.