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Ukraine's President Tells Military To Prepare For 'Full-Scale' Russian invasion

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posted on Jun, 7 2015 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: kitzik

The Preseident of the US makes more than the average US citizen....and had a jump in income within his first year in office.




posted on Jun, 7 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
So what they have been doing for more than a year now? other than getting the rear ends kicked there has been little positive from Ukes side.

Full scale Russian invasion if happens will have the Ruskies stomping the Kiev downtown in two weeks.





You are right and you are wrong.......Russia is a 2nd tier military and Ukraine is 3rd tier so you are right they could walk in and take the place in weeks or a month. That being said the economic/social cost Russia would pay would lead to revolutions taking place in a year or two.


Revolutions happen when the cost of food reaches a percentage of disposable income for the average citizen. The figure is right around 40% of disposable income. Russian citizens are at 30-35% right now and it is still climbing year after year. Eventually the average Russian will not be able to afford food anymore and when this happens revolution will come.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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if i was putin id worry about the dragon at my back(china) if they go into a war. it be the perfect time to take them and they would not see it coming.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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Wait... so the same guy who's been cry-babying for months about Russia having actually invaded, now warns about an impending Russian invasion.

I hope these neofascist maniacs gets removed from power in Kiev before there's an even bigger hecatomb.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: victor7
So what they have been doing for more than a year now? other than getting the rear ends kicked there has been little positive from Ukes side.

Full scale Russian invasion if happens will have the Ruskies stomping the Kiev downtown in two weeks.





You are right and you are wrong.......Russia is a 2nd tier military and Ukraine is 3rd tier so you are right they could walk in and take the place in weeks or a month. That being said the economic/social cost Russia would pay would lead to revolutions taking place in a year or two.


Revolutions happen when the cost of food reaches a percentage of disposable income for the average citizen. The figure is right around 40% of disposable income. Russian citizens are at 30-35% right now and it is still climbing year after year. Eventually the average Russian will not be able to afford food anymore and when this happens revolution will come.


40% of Americans are working under minimum wage these days, and that's the people who have a job. Industrial cities have been shutting down for years, people have been sent to the street massively, and now there's an estimate of 2 civilians getting shot by a paramilitary police everyday. Still no revolution in the US, so why would there be in Russia, with an administration that's several times more popular than Obama's?

So it appears you don't seem to know the underneath dynamics behind a revolution.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:34 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Even Russia's staunchest allies like Belarus are starting to distance themselves from Russia. That's not the doing of the West. It's because Putin's current course is bringing back memories of living under Soviet rule and all the atrocities that went along with that. The way these countries see it they would rather seek protection from a corrupt West than a corrupt Russia that also killed millions of their citizens. That's why so many other former SSRs have rushed to join NATO.


Its because of the threats from NATO, about being bombed to hell like everyone else over the last 100 years.

I cannot wait for everything to go badly for NATO, and the players start infighting.....

Setup for a fall, a BIG FALL.



posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: ParasuvO

Uhm no, NATO has not threatened to bomb Russia nor Belarus.

Belarus is distancing itself because of Ukraine. Belarus did not support Russias actions in Crimea and has called for the sovereignty of Ukraine to be left intact, including Crimea. Secondly Russia screwed Belarus over economically with a protectionist response when Russia had sanctions placed on them. That action violated the agreements Russia had with Belarus. Third the President of Belarus is also concerned about Putins little green men causing havoc in his country.


NATO has consistently maintained that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all NATO members.

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posted on Jun, 8 2015 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: Echtelion

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: victor7
So what they have been doing for more than a year now? other than getting the rear ends kicked there has been little positive from Ukes side.

Full scale Russian invasion if happens will have the Ruskies stomping the Kiev downtown in two weeks.





You are right and you are wrong.......Russia is a 2nd tier military and Ukraine is 3rd tier so you are right they could walk in and take the place in weeks or a month. That being said the economic/social cost Russia would pay would lead to revolutions taking place in a year or two.


Revolutions happen when the cost of food reaches a percentage of disposable income for the average citizen. The figure is right around 40% of disposable income. Russian citizens are at 30-35% right now and it is still climbing year after year. Eventually the average Russian will not be able to afford food anymore and when this happens revolution will come.


40% of Americans are working under minimum wage these days, and that's the people who have a job. Industrial cities have been shutting down for years, people have been sent to the street massively, and now there's an estimate of 2 civilians getting shot by a paramilitary police everyday. Still no revolution in the US, so why would there be in Russia, with an administration that's several times more popular than Obama's?

So it appears you don't seem to know the underneath dynamics behind a revolution.



You just actually made his point for him... The U.S. Isn't revolting because bread isn't twenty dollars and a gallon of milk isn't fifteen bucks.


Historically hunger causes revolution in every corner of the world the vast majority of the time.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
^^^^^^^^^^^^Never trust a source called the red pill .here is a quote from the above source.............


Oligarch Poroshenko’s personal wealth jumps to $1.3 billion. 80% of Ukrainians now live below poverty line



Complete and total lie .




In 2013 Poroshenko's wealth was 1.6 Billion . Wiki now has him listed at under 800 million .


source


Wiki source


The reason for his current 800 million I'd hrs required under Ukrainian law to sell any ukrainian businesses. And stock priced are way diffrent then selling prices.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Even Russia's staunchest allies like Belarus are starting to distance themselves from Russia. That's not the doing of the West. It's because Putin's current course is bringing back memories of living under Soviet rule and all the atrocities that went along with that. The way these countries see it they would rather seek protection from a corrupt West than a corrupt Russia that also killed millions of their citizens. That's why so many other former SSRs have rushed to join NATO.


Its because of the threats from NATO, about being bombed to hell like everyone else over the last 100 years.

I cannot wait for everything to go badly for NATO, and the players start infighting.....

Setup for a fall, a BIG FALL.


Odd countries seem to want to join NATO to be expected when you have a neighbor that doesn't seem to understand what borders are. And invites their troops in for prolonged stays in other countries territories without permission. If anything Putin has done more to help NATO then anyone. He caused Europe to up their budget he gave them a reason to exist. Let's face it with the fall of the Soviets their was no direct threat to Europe until now.

Putin has caused everything he has claimed he wanted to stop I'd say he's a fool if you think about it.If hr had played nice with others NATO would have gone away.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: Legman

originally posted by: Echtelion

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: victor7
So what they have been doing for more than a year now? other than getting the rear ends kicked there has been little positive from Ukes side.

Full scale Russian invasion if happens will have the Ruskies stomping the Kiev downtown in two weeks.





You are right and you are wrong.......Russia is a 2nd tier military and Ukraine is 3rd tier so you are right they could walk in and take the place in weeks or a month. That being said the economic/social cost Russia would pay would lead to revolutions taking place in a year or two.


Revolutions happen when the cost of food reaches a percentage of disposable income for the average citizen. The figure is right around 40% of disposable income. Russian citizens are at 30-35% right now and it is still climbing year after year. Eventually the average Russian will not be able to afford food anymore and when this happens revolution will come.


40% of Americans are working under minimum wage these days, and that's the people who have a job. Industrial cities have been shutting down for years, people have been sent to the street massively, and now there's an estimate of 2 civilians getting shot by a paramilitary police everyday. Still no revolution in the US, so why would there be in Russia, with an administration that's several times more popular than Obama's?

So it appears you don't seem to know the underneath dynamics behind a revolution.



You just actually made his point for him... The U.S. Isn't revolting because bread isn't twenty dollars and a gallon of milk isn't fifteen bucks.


Historically hunger causes revolution in every corner of the world the vast majority of the time.


Perhaps, but I've always seen revolution as a ruse, misdirection, something akin to bamboozlement. With hunger of course being the "premiss" if you will for said bambozzlement. The French Revolution is a good example of that.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 04:58 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

So nobody is allowed to look at economic deals with a country bordering Russia?



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: MALBOSIA

So nobody is allowed to look at economic deals with a country bordering Russia?


I guess that would depend on whether or not the deal was dependent on the usurpation of said counties sovereignty.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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if believe Poroshenko (nee valtsman) media junta and the West for more than a year, ukraina is at war with Russia, the junta allegedly has destroyed hundreds of Russian tanks and tens of thousands of "terrorists", morgue of Rostov allegedly can not cope with the disposal of corpses . Goebbels just small puppy wolfhound vs zion fascist media - really doggery cannibals ... for 10 years of war in Afghanistan, 16,000 Russian soldiers died and everyone knew somebody was in Afghan, or wounded, or killed, or their friends, relatives, they were guys with your street Now units the Patriots are volunteers for their money to buy a ticket and uniform , go to defend the Russians from the Zionist fascists and mercenaries excellent job without the help of Russia were fighting where the was 200vs10 Motorola , 700vs70 Givi , 40vs8 Texas youtu.be... and they live and win . there were cases of destroyed aircraft helicopter tank of junta in small arms, you can not imagine what we can do if the militia will have modern weapons from Russia
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posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate

As I've stated in many different threads... The amount of money given to Ukraine by the USA is no different than economic deals with several countries...

Why was this one a financed over throw and none of the others were?

Eta what was so special about the Ukraine?

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posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: Ultralight

this stupid crazy talk really gets on my nerves.


I'm Putin up (pun intended) my house as a bet...Russia will not invade...anyone.


Just stop it.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Rosinitiate

As I've stated in many different threads... The amount of money given to Ukraine by the USA is no different than economic deals with several countries...

Why was this one a financed over throw and none of the others were?

Eta what was so special about the Ukraine?


Borders on Russia but has half the country leaning Western (Euro) the other half firmly Eastern but generally within the "control" of Russia. Russia won't play nice in the sandbox (pun intended) so they needed to be taught a lesson vis a vis economic warfare, drama at her border and a plunge in petroleum. I'm sure they got the lesson loud and clear. As for the Ukrainians, they are simply canon fodder for the warring ideologies, one of uni-polar, the other not so much.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate


Perhaps, but I've always seen revolution as a ruse, misdirection, something akin to bamboozlement. With hunger of course being the "premiss" if you will for said bambozzlement. The French Revolution is a good example of that.


The Bolshevik revolution is another example.



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate

So nations aren't free to decide who they do business with?

Do you feel the same about Russian sanctions on other countries?



posted on Jun, 9 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Umm, I think Putin is going to disclose his personal wealth in the joint meeting with Pope Francis coming 10-th of June.

They will also talk about the aliens and inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine


Without sarcasm, I really struggling to understand how the statement of Poroshenko making this event more or less probable.

If Russia decides that it is going to invade Ukraine, it won't be because Poroshenko said so.


It's an indication of where things are headed, no one says it's directly influencing russian policy.




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