**UPDATES** BREAKING: US CBP Chopper Down at Texas Border, Fired on from Mexico

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

No it makes it justified because it shows that this not just a king obama thing but a US government thing for decades.

It shows he is not the first and won't be the last to 'drag america through the coals in tyranny' with amnesty.

Think we all need to remember what tyranny is.

Using E.O's is not tyranny, unless you want to call damn near every president we ever had a tyrant.

originally posted by: highfromphoenix
War!!!!

I say we bomb the hell out of Mexico steal the weed and tequila then rebuild it for terrorists.

Next we attack Canada and steal their.....hmmmm......

Women and maple syrup!

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Will Obama and gang find it more important to let illegals in for the next election, or more important to keep terrorists out? My guess...the vote is more important to them than the lives of American citizens. What do YOU think?

Very good question. I think that if you look at his background and associates that he is definitely communist/socialist bent. When you look at the communist agenda for bringing down America, then to me it comes into sharper focus. One of their agenda items was to put such a huge burden financially on the government it causes the country to fail. Bringing in all these outsiders has done nothing but make things much worse than they were. One poster mentioned them being a critical part of the economy. Well, problem is our economy has been sick and jobs are not something we have need of tens of thousands of new families that can't support themselves are going to help.

And I happen to believe that if any POTUS would exploit a government made disaster, be it from criminals released into society that are not even citizens to a financial collapse, this one would. He could suspend that obstructing congress and elections and stay in power and roll out that UN/Globalist Agenda without congress getting in his way. It would be an epic disaster, but one that I think he would make because he really doesn't need to worry about himself or his family being safe and fed. Especially if he is backed by the Globalists.

So, in reply more specifically, his motives may appear to be to get more voters in, but I believe it goes much deeper to the reasoning behind it. What would basically happen is if we were under assault, the state (i,e, Texas) and all its forces would be in the fight already since it would be on their territory. Citizens would be backing them up and probably rolling in from around the country. This would put Obama and the Globalists in a particularly bad situation. If they don't support troops putting an end to an invasion, well they would probably be facing a revolution that would assure his and any supporters of the UN/Globalist agenda demise. It would not play out like they think it would. It is easy to sit and make plans, but in Carl Von Clausewitz's words, "No campaign plan survives first contact with the enemy". And that would be the case in the US.

I would say that more people are tolerating the current situation in our country and the world. People always ask why American's don't do something like it is so terrible in the US. - opinions from outside views. If Americans are pushed into a disaster of epic proportions you will find that there will be an abundance of things being done on a revolutionary or civil war type scale. We just have not reached that point. The majority are all fed, have shelter, entertainment, and any other resource they need. Sure, things could be better. But, the Globalists want to tax us and take what we have to make the rest of the developing world better off. It seems a conundrum to me that the resource depletion and population problem on the planet would only be made worse by doing that. So, somehow I don't think the money they get will actually be used for the stated purpose. Well, this is going to far off the topic so I will stop here.

If the cartels or anyone else think they are going to waltz into America and attack any of us they will be sorely mistaken. If they didn't get the clue from what happened to Japan and Germany in WWII and the war effort behind that, well they don't have a good understanding what Americans can do if pushed too far. Especially on our land. There is a reason no one has invaded us. It is suicide. The muslims have a better chance fomenting change from within that anyone by force. And I think Obama is one to try the change from inside. However, when shtf, Americans can and do band together and demand action. Look at what happened after 911, regardless of who caused it, it is what was perceived by the masses. I think Americans in general want the borders secured and to start attacking us along the border will only lead to that. That raises the question of who really shot at the chopper? If the left is capable of flags flags, the right is capable of a signals battalion of flags to get things going the other direction.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: spirit_horse
This cross border situation of cartels and supposedly ISIS and other terrorists has the potential to turn into a low level conflict. It is one thing that I consider Jade Helm as being about really. Our government has to respond and prepare for infiltration and attacks across the border regardless of how they seem to strive to not protect the border. A false flag downing of government helicopters from cartels and terrorists would surely bring support for troops and action on the border by most Americans. It will be interesting to see how this develops over the summer.

But...we can't put troops on the border because the left wants to get as many of those future-democrat-voters...ummm...illegal aliens over on this side, paid federal welfare, housed, fed and registered to vote. So what happens if ISIS or some other terrorist group starts attacking our boarder or starts coming across???

Will Obama and gang find it more important to let illegals in for the next election, or more important to keep terrorists out? My guess...the vote is more important to them than the lives of American citizens. What do YOU think?

Exactly----- Obama and his Obamunists have proven this now how many times? They have conspired openly against America and ask congress/senate to fast track it all without any private citizens being informed about these schemes for votes hidden under an umbrella of the most rediculous reasons. And he has the help of the right wing as much as the left, except for a few who aren't afraid of him... I hope to see the mangy dog in leg irons some day along with every single official who aided and abetted his non stop since first elected felony spree.

Why do we pretend this is an Obama thing? Reagan did it, where do you think Obama got the idea. Bush Sr and Clinton supported it as well. And Bush Jr. was a big supporter of The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 which would have given 12 million illegals citizenship. And some how Obama who has the largest border patrol in US history and the who has deported more illegals than any other President is the guy responsible for illegals?

Hell up until the late 1980s the border patrol was barely a 1000 strong nothing close to 28,000 now. And kicking out illegals who did not get arrested for some other crime was considered a waste of money.

In the end of course no party will ever get rid of illegals because they are a vital part of our economy and that makes them vital to our national security. Where do you think the US is planning on getting the labor needed if a global war kicks off and the nation is fully mobilized? Now, you know and knowing is half the battle.

Can we end this "Why is this about Obama?" stuff??? There is one answer all the time every time this is asked.

Obama is the President of the United States. He wants to "fundamentally change" the country many of us love and are proud to be a part of. He is the boss and in charge currently, so Obama is brought up because he has some power to implement and execute this "change" that many (and sometimes the majority) don't want. Until such time as someone else is the President, Obama is responsible for what happens in our country...sometimes by even overstepping his authority.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

No it makes it justified because it shows that this not just a king obama thing but a US government thing for decades.

It shows he is not the first and won't be the last to 'drag america through the coals in tyranny' with amnesty.

Think we all need to remember what tyranny is.

Using E.O's is not tyranny, unless you want to call damn near every president we ever had a tyrant.

And your response is embarrassing. The idea you are suggesting is that if something has been done wrong or badly for a long time, it is acceptable to continue doing it wrong or poorly. This is someone different that is responsible for assuring our laws and wishes are addressed. The FACT that he isn't working to fix the illegal invader problem is his choice and not that of the majority of citizens. He was elected to do what WE want, not whatever floats his boat.

Pointing out that he failed at this, or is ignoring a problem is 100% correct. Ignoring what he is or isn't doing because "others did it poorly" isn't an excuse...it is continuing and supporting a failed process. We need to fix things and hold people (especially elected officials) responsible for what THEY DO or DON'T DO. Politicians need to stop lying, stop filling their own pockets and do what the people want. Saying "politicians always lie" should never be an excuse for a politician lying. If we don't enforce what WE want from those who represent us...NO ONE WILL.

And THAT is probably the biggest problem in our country. Our representatives, both sides and the President do what THEY want to do...not what WE want them to do. Fix that...fix the country...fix the government.