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In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders

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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I am an idealist.

But I'm also an idealist who's been burned. I heal...only to be burned again.

Bernie might indeed end up getting my support/or Ben Carson. But not until I look 'em over, kick the tires.

Buyer beware.




posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Sanders may have the best of intentions. Maybe not. What I do believe is that anyone who sees the federal government as the answer and not the problem, is at best wrong, maybe delusional, and at worst the same type of criminal we've parked in the office for years. I'll cut him some slack and say he's just wrong.

I may not know what the answers are, but I'm pretty sure I know what they're not. Unfortunately change will be cosmetic only, as long as corporations are people and money is speech.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: ugmold

Ron Paul was/is 1,000 times more popular and he got rail-roaded....You actually think this guys stands even a teeny tiny chance? NOPE.....They already have the next president all lined up, and my bet is his last name rhymes with Bush.....



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: woodwardjnr

In all honesty he's starting to prove that assumption, wrong.


We'll see, but he's quite left wing a self admitted socialist. He's left wing even by European standards.i know ats isn't a representative snap shot of American opinion, but from what I've seen on my time here is the left doesn't seem to be very well supported politically in America.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Now that, I can definitely get behind.




posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Right now, the only way any politician will get my vote in 3 minutes, is if he/she says,

"Okay. We screwed you over. Here are the departments I'm going to cut. . . . . . . . . "



Damn you brought back memories .


Have you ever seen Bulworth?





posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: beezzer

I am an idealist.

But I'm also an idealist who's been burned. I heal...only to be burned again.

Bernie might indeed end up getting my support/or Ben Carson. But not until I look 'em over, kick the tires.

Buyer beware.



The problem with getting burned so many times is that you develop scar tissue with no feeling.

I'm well on that route.

Ironically, if you were to ask what I'm looking for, my answer would be, "Hope and Change."



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I know, right?

I can't help myself. Hope and change.

[sarcasm] Run, Barack. Run. [/sarcasm]



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: beezzer
Right now, the only way any politician will get my vote in 3 minutes, is if he/she says,

"Okay. We screwed you over. Here are the departments I'm going to cut. . . . . . . . . "



Damn you brought back memories .


Have you ever seen Bulworth?




I loved that movie!

lolz



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: woodwardjnr

In all honesty he's starting to prove that assumption, wrong.


Agreed. As his popularity grows, Hillary's diminishes. And we have a while before the primary elections. It absolutely could prove to be an upset for Hillary.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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Bernie is the authentic Ron Paul. If you love Ron Paul, Bernie is the real thing. Give him a listen.

Oh whoever it was up there that said they voted for change and got shafted, I hope you realize it was john Boehner who shafted you and prevented Obama from changing anything. In the Senate it was republicans engaging in more filibusters than any president had in history. More than all the presidents before him put together. So don't tell me how Obama failed, he was blocked by republicans who cared more about power than the country.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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Clearly, any politician who says "I will fix this" is rather delusional. It's not "I" anymore, if it ever was...


That is a very valid point. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than one person to fix this...if it's fixable at all. Everyone wants a hero to come save us, but we don't need a hero. We need a warrior who is also humble enough to realize that we are a nation of people who respond best to leaders who do so by example, not pretty words and promises.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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Right now, the republicans have "cookie-cutter" candidates.

I'm seriously thinking of registering as a democrat to vote for Bernie just to upset Hillary.

Afterwards, I can vote for Gary Johnson and weep bitterly during the election.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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Nobody is drawing the size of crowds he is generating. This was the clue I had that Barack was going to beat Clinton.
breitbart msnbc

Sanders is the only one running that has the voting records to back up what he says.

He is collecting both money and volunteers at a fast pace.

He is polling better than any republican.

I predict he will be on the ticket come election day, not sure who else yet.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Silenced in media and in politics absolutely. But liberals in general are starting realize how far right they've been pushed. I see constantly (and I look a LOT) love Bernie but he can't win. No one has really spoken our language except on very surface levels in ages, since before I was born (I'm 40). We have democrats that say oh yeah we need to strengthen labor, need to reign in corporations and the military and maintain women's right to choose... then that's it, from there it's how they would manage whatever the crises of the day is. The crises has always been losing our power to the ultra rich.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist that isn't the same thing as a Socialist. DS is still Capitalist but with very strong checks and balances. He likes Norwegian economies and borrows heavily from their models.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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Afterwards, I can vote for Gary Johnson and weep bitterly during the election.



Welcome to my world. He's who I voted for last time around... Ideally, I'd luvs me some Ben Carson/Gary Johnson on a ticket together. Or the other way around, I wouldn't care.

No chance of it, of course. But damn, I'd work my ass off for that campaign.

CARSON/JOHNSON '16. That's got a ring to it.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: damwel
Bernie is the authentic Ron Paul. If you love Ron Paul, Bernie is the real thing. Give him a listen.

Oh whoever it was up there that said they voted for change and got shafted, I hope you realize it was john Boehner who shafted you and prevented Obama from changing anything. In the Senate it was republicans engaging in more filibusters than any president had in history. More than all the presidents before him put together. So don't tell me how Obama failed, he was blocked by republicans who cared more about power than the country.


I respect what you are saying, but Obama did fail....He is president! He has passed executive order one after the other! I don't want to hear about how republicans did this or democrats did that....The president makes the rules and if you want something changed.....EFFING CHANGE IT!!!! Be the guy who proves the 2 party system wrong, do the right thing and the people will stand behind you, 100% of the time!



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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I may not know what the answers are, but I'm pretty sure I know what they're not. Unfortunately change will be cosmetic only, as long as corporations are people and money is speech.


Agreed...

And by that criteria...I think we can predict who exactly will be the next POTUS. It's an established pattern and it's not gonna change.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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Heart, intelligence, honesty... poor Bernie doesn't have a chance. I should leave the post there... buuut it's chicken little time.

On bad days, I'm sure some cabal has our futures all planned and all our "choices" amount to the same thing... more slaves in the economic machine...

on worse days, which are far more frequent, I think we are exactly what we seem... a bunch of barely sentient apes with no long term plans, fighting for resources to make more apes... while a small group of smarter apes tell us we are literally killing our ecosystem with our nimble capitalistic super machine ... fast.

Bernie appeals to non-fear-oriented-cooperative meta-thinkers. Most Americans are just working to live, living to work, and leave the meta thinking to someone with time... and selfish, rightish memes sound more immediate and logical. He really doesn't have a chance, yet I'm glad he gets to speak and give folks an alternative. It's important... but it's too little, too late.

Bernie would definitely act in the people's interest, economically. The problem is, we might need a more radical, rapid change... forgetting the economics for a moment (although it's intimately entwined), our ecosystem is in trouble... and that's not lefty-hippie-fear mongering. It is simple truth.

On a high note, if someone like him doesn't get into power, meaning if our socioeconomic system isn't radically changed in a major way, then we're doomed ... up poop creek without a paddle... extinction by choice and/or ignorance... within the next century... the high note being that there will be no more problems... at all.

Hope I'm wrong... but I'm not.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I've been a fan of Bernie Sanders since I first heard him speak, but in all honesty he doesn't stand a chance in American elections


Same here.

Plus his age will hinder him with superficial voters.

At best he can push the debate topics from the left like Graham will do from the right.


Same same,

however I do hope people look into his track record, he is no new kid on the block.



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