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Ukraine stepping up attacks on separatists BECAUSE voting to remove sanctions happening soon.

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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 05:56 AM
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There is going to be a voting within Europe to resume normal trade relationship with Russia, all parties want it, Germany, France even UK.

Russia wants it most of all even though they can get by trading with Asia and South America. But there is a problem, Minsk agreement.

An agreement United States was hoping wouldn't work and Kerry is on the record saying he isn't optimistic as all of them were meeting in Minsk.

Now the Minsk ceasefire agreement is being broken by US stooge Poroschenko, ordering the extreme right battalions to fire on Separatists who fire back in return.

US is hoping to have war brew again so that they can holler at the European meeting how bad Putin and Russia are.

REMEMBER THIS
Right now certain members will show up to blame Russia and separatists for war 2.0

And yet that same Russia would benefit from lifting of Sanctions.

Don't worry they will just ignore that and claim Russia is crazy and wants to lose money instead of make money, or they will throw some conspiracy as to why that is.
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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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I feel you bro, but when someone crank 30 post in a hour to be able to post propaganda its kinda hard to take him seriously

Russia good, NATO bad, message receive



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent
I feel you bro, but when someone crank 30 post in a hour to be able to post propaganda its kinda hard to take him seriously

Russia good, NATO bad, message receive


Yea that looks off, but I feel what he is saying.
I am not there I don't know.

Could someone post what type of agreement, any links? Sources?

OP do you have a Source?
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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: Indigent

Take whatever you want bro.

I joined like a month ago and now I finally have time off work to read ATS. And wanna know something else ? People in Ukraine or people in Middle East dying thanks to US foreign policy and ISIS, don't give a damn what you and I post online.

They just know their lives are being destroyed and their kids slaughtered.

They probably hate you and me both and I don't blame them



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent
propaganda


You call it propaganda and yet can't discuss the logic of Russia supposedly starting a war just before voting in EU to remove sanctions.




posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: Nowornevertill


They just know their lives are being destroyed and their kids slaughtered.


That's really ALL I need to know.

but from there I think Peace rather than blame is next?



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: Nowornevertill

What the 'government' in Kiev has done to it's Russian minority in the east is nothing short of a war crime bordering on genocide. The government has murdered thousands of its own Russian speaking citizens and that is a total disgrace. Poroshenko and his lot should hang for this



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: KnightLight
OP do you have a Source?


What so you need links for.

If I post RT links someone will say that is Russian MSM.

If someone posts western links, I will be the first one to say that is western MSM.

Here is what you do.

You read the MSM and alternative news and you use critical thinking and common sense. That's how you become an informed citizen.



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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent
I feel you bro, but when someone crank 30 post in a hour to be able to post propaganda its kinda hard to take him seriously

Russia good, NATO bad, message receive

who is funding ISIS again?
Nato or Russia
right!
nato and ISIS good
wow
talk about screwy propaganda

lol
just sayin



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: Danbones

I honestly don't know how some people sleep at night.

This isn't a game people are dying, how can someone be so cruel to defend US policy.

If I was a woman I would probably cry.
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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: Nowornevertill


Here is what you do.

You read the MSM and alternative news and you use critical thinking and common sense. That's how you become an informed citizen.


Here is what you do when you make a thread.
You put sources in it, so I know what you are talking about.

And I think you misunderstand me. For instance, check my bolded parts in my previous post.
You don't cry as easy as me.

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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: KnightLight

In that case you must be very proud of the results Western financed NGOs accomplished in Ukraine.

And you must be very proud of how western money and weapons turned Syrian Rebels into ISIS.

Stand tall and proud, your guys are winning the body count.



At some point people like you realise that eventually piper has to be paid. In blood.
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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: Nowornevertill
a reply to: Indigent

Take whatever you want bro.

I joined like a month ago and now I finally have time off work to read ATS. And wanna know something else ? People in Ukraine or people in Middle East dying thanks to US foreign policy and ISIS, don't give a damn what you and I post online.

They just know their lives are being destroyed and their kids slaughtered.

They probably hate you and me both and I don't blame them


While I grant you in the Middle East people may be dying because of the US.


People are dying in the Ukraine because of Russia .



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Greathouse

And senator McCain and US money to NGOs had nothing to do with it nope.

What is going to really surprise Americans is that those same Ukranians are going to turn bitterly against the US and puppet government as this continues on.

These people are not Arabs in Middle East. Their way of thinking is European.



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: Nowornevertill

What..

You misunderstood Twice.
Read the bolded again?
and the word after the bolded,
that I purposefully unincluded?

I'm on your side, mostly.
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posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: Nowornevertill
a reply to: Indigent

Take whatever you want bro.

I joined like a month ago and now I finally have time off work to read ATS. And wanna know something else ? People in Ukraine or people in Middle East dying thanks to US foreign policy and ISIS, don't give a damn what you and I post online.

They just know their lives are being destroyed and their kids slaughtered.

They probably hate you and me both and I don't blame them


While I grant you in the Middle East people may be dying because of the US.


People are dying in the Ukraine because of Russia .


You are correct that people are dying in the ME because of US meddling. You miss the fact that people are dying in Ukraine because of US meddling. If the USA had just kept STRATFOR out of it then everything would be fine and things would have continued as they had for the past 20 years with a basic truce between East and West with each having their own backyard. But STRATFOR just got stuck right in there and now thousands of Ukranians are dead and many more will follow

Thanks good old USA
Keep your STRATFOR to yourselves and carry on murdering brown faces with towels on their heads by the millions........... But please, keep your nose out of Europe and Russia and let them sort things out for themselves



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

No you're wrong. People are dying in the Ukraine because Vladimir Putin is arming the Eastern separatist . It's really simple...,,,, tanks artillery and troops kill people, meddling just pisses people off. Now when you piss people off by meddling they can respond by sending in tanks artillery and troops .


As is currently going on in the Ukraine .



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: Nowornevertill

It's gonna take the US a long time to catch up to Russia's body count. What was it? 20 million Russians under Stalin alone?



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Nowornevertill


These people are not Arabs in Middle East. Their way of thinking is European.



The muslims in Chechnya that Putin destroyed can attest to that .



posted on Jun, 5 2015 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: Nowornevertill

You mean the $5 billion that came through USAID over the course of 20 years?



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