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Who said American Freedom doesnt work in Iraq?

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posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 09:05 PM
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Because they are obviously wrong. Around 6,250 Iraqi canidates are registered for the constitutional/governmental/presidental elections next month. This election represents a whopping 223 political entities. I'm not sure what percentage of the total Iraqi population this accounts for, but it seems like some decent numbers.



Nearly 6,250 candidates have registered for Iraq's national assembly poll - UN
23 December 2004 Nearly 6,250 candidates have so far registered for next month's elections to Iraq's 275-member national assembly, which will draft a constitution and appoint a new government to run the country until a presidential ballot is held at the end of the year, the United Nations mission reported today.

Overall, 223 political entities and 33 coalitions have presented 19,000 candidates for the 30 January elections for the national assembly, the local governorates and the Kurdistan National Assembly.

The final figures will be made public within the next few days, the UN Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) said.

Meanwhile the top UN envoy in the country today continued his consultations with senior members of the Interim Government on preparations for the vote, which the world body is helping to organize.
www.un.org...


[edit on 12/23/2004 by Simulacra]




posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Simulacra
Because they are obviously wrong. Around 6,250 Iraqi citizens have registered to vote for the constitutional/governmental/presidental elections next month.


The 6,250 people have registered to run as candidates in the elections.
The Iraqi voters will have 6,250 people to choose from. That'll be a heck of a big ballot.

That number doesn't include the people who have registered to vote.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The 6,250 people have registered to run as candidates in the elections.
The Iraqi voters will have 6,250 people to choose from. That'll be a heck of a big ballot.
That number doesn't include the people who have registered to vote.


Ah, nice catch. Edited accordingly. Too much non-existant egg-nog.



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 02:44 AM
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"American freedom (TM)" doesn't even work in the States, just look at the "american freedom (TM)" you had to vote. You could have voted for Mickey Mouse it wouldn't have matter any way... ITS NOT AS IF THEY COUNTED YOUR VOTES!

"Americn freedom (TM)" is the freedom of the US to plunder and pillage the 3rd world without fearing the consequences, nothing more or less!



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 07:34 PM
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"The people who cast the votes dont decide an election, the people who count the votes do." -- Joseph Stalin

Besides is it not written in the forth act of the Geneva Convention that any elections that take place in a country that is currently under occupation are void and not recognized by international authority?


[edit on 24-12-2004 by Johnny Redburn]



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Johnny Redburn
Besides is it not written in the forth act of the Geneva Convention that any elections that take place in a country that is currently under occupation are void and not recognized by international authority?


I couldnt find anything about an election behind invalid if there the country is under occupation. But I did find this:


Article 63 -- Civil defence in occupied territories

1. In occupied territories, civilian civil defence organizations shall receive from the authorities the facilities necessary for the performance of their tasks. In no circumstances shall their personnel be compelled to perform activities which would interfere with the proper performance of these tasks. The Occupying Power shall not change the structure or personnel of such organizations in any way which might jeopardize the efficient performance of their mission. These organizations shall not be required to give priority to the nationals or interests of that Power.

2. The Occupying Power shall not compel, coerce or induce civilian civil defence organizations to perform their tasks in any manner prejudicial to the interests of the civilian population.

3. The Occupying Power may disarm civil defence personnel for reasons of security.


and this...



Article 64 -- Civilian civil defence organizations or neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict and international co-ordinating organizations

3. In occupied territories, the Occupying Power may only exclude or restrict the activities of civilian civil defence organizations of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict and of international co-ordinating organizations if it can ensure the adequate performance of civil defence tasks from its own resources or those of the occupied territory.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Johnny Redburn
Besides is it not written in the forth act of the Geneva Convention that any elections that take place in a country that is currently under occupation are void and not recognized by international authority?

Interesting, doesn't seem like the sort of thing the geneva convention covers tho, it'd be a diagram for perpetual war and occupation.

The elections in Iraq will probably go much the same way as the elections in afghanistan. Obviously muslims aren't incapable of self-representation and independence. The Turks have had a moderate democracy for a long time, and even the gulf states have seen democratic and liberalizing reforms.

There's nothing specifically american about voting. I don't understand why voting is supposed to be a bad thing for the iraqis.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Lately, in 2000, 2002 and 2004 it has been deemed a BAD THING for American people to have an honest election, also.

Evidences of rigging are becoming overwhelming.

The Bush vote does not compute --
Preliminary reasons why the Bush vote does not compute, and why Congress must investigate rather than certify the Electoral College (Part One of Two), by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman,

January 3, 2005

The presidential vote for George W. Bush does not compute.

--By examining a very wide range of sworn testimonies from voters,
polling officials and others close to the administration of the Nov.
2 election;

--by statistical analysis of the certified vote by mathematicians,
election experts and independent research teams who have conducted
detailed studies of the results in Ohio, New Mexico, Florida and
elsewhere;

--from experts who studied the voting machines, tabulators and other
electronic equipment on which a fair vote count has depended;

--and from a team of attorneys and others who have challenged the
Ohio results;

--the freepress.org investigative team has compiled a portrait of an
election whose true outcome must be investigated further by the
Congress, the media and all Americans

--because it was almost certainly not an honest victory for George
W. Bush.

www.freepress.org...

How can America establish valid elections somewhere else when we don't even have them here?



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