Emergency Meeting Of The Russian Federation Council

originally posted by: stuthealien
im surprised he hasnt already done this,its all russian infrastructure in the ukraine,the ukraine belongs to russia,

Say what? Using that logic, the UK can go and lay claim to half of Africa and the India subcontinent, as they are all still using infrastructure built and paid for the the UK. Ukraine doesn't "belong" to anybody but the people of Ukraine and the sooner Russia get's that into her thick head, the better off everyone will be.

Honestly, these pro-Putin lot get crazier by the week....

a reply to: stumason

Using the logic of some people you could probably argue that most of Europe belongs to the US. How much infrastructure was bought and paid for with Marshall Plan dollars?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: kitzik

and Putin falsely claimed Russia has never been conquered when in fact the Mongols conquered and occupied it.

If the Mongols could do it then there is still the possibility other nations can today.

Maybe this time?

They also lost to the Japanese badly, the Swedes and the Crimean war facing off against France and England. They got embarrassed in Finland and then the first World war by Germany. Lets not forget the Poles, Estonia and Lithuania stomping their butts as well. They have fought a lot and won a lot but also lost to many smaller nations.

NATO and mainly Poland with the Baltic states will not tolerate anymore games by Russia. If Russia chooses to invade Ukraine by overwhelming force, Russia will sign its own eventual death certificate. Romania, Latvia and Lithuania will poop egg roles knowing they are next on the chopping block with very weak armed forces as Putin tries to circle the Black sea and cover their norther flank. That will bring a huge influx of American military armor, air and Naval power to the region in big way.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: kitzik

and Putin falsely claimed Russia has never been conquered when in fact the Mongols conquered and occupied it.

If the Mongols could do it then there is still the possibility other nations can today.

Maybe this time?

They also lost to the Japanese badly, the Swedes and the Crimean war facing off against France and England. They got embarrassed in Finland and then the first World war by Germany. Lets not forget the Poles, Estonia and Lithuania stomping their butts as well. They have fought a lot and won a lot but also lost to many smaller nations.

NATO and mainly Poland with the Baltic states will not tolerate anymore games by Russia. If Russia chooses to invade Ukraine by overwhelming force, Russia will sign its own eventual death certificate. Romania, Latvia and Lithuania will poop egg roles knowing they are next on the chopping block with very weak armed forces as Putin tries to circle the Black sea and cover their norther flank. That will bring a huge influx of American military armor, air and Naval power to the region in big way.

There is no way Russia could survive a true assault by NATO. Putin isn't stupid he knows the only way to get NATO involved is to attack a member. He won't do that he's happy with the gains they made his o b lyrics remaining problem is sanctions. It's no coincidence that the minute they extended sanctions trouble in Ukraine re started. This is putin's main threat. If everyone said he can keep crimea and sanctions end this Ukraine thing would end.he showing he can turn up the heat in Ukraine whenever he wants.

a reply to: dragonridr

Interestingly enough Putin's minister of propaganda, Министррейха Dmitry Peskov, was asked why the upper parliament was telling their members to stick around. The upper house stated because of a holiday its possible they needed an extra day to get stuff done. For some weird reason Dmitry Peskov didn't repeat that line. He refused to answer the question.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: dragonridr

Interestingly enough Putin's minister of propaganda, Министррейха Dmitry Peskov, was asked why the upper parliament was telling their members to stick around. The upper house stated because of a holiday its possible they needed an extra day to get stuff done. For some weird reason Dmitry Peskov didn't repeat that line. He refused to answer the question.

I'm beginning to think Putin thought Ukraine mifht declare war. They are baking ukraine into a corner and know it. And do to Putin re energizing the conflict Ukraine's about to get some heavy weaponry.

Russia doesn't have the global network of well funded NGO's and other intel assets planted within various governments. They pretty much had to use force in reaction to the move made by the USA.

The US had been pushing most of Russia's surrounding nations into the EU or NATO and has seen Ukraine as the ultimate prize since the mid/late 1990's. The US went "all in" a few years ago and began sending billions of dollars into Ukraine along with intel assets in order to subvert their political process.

In late 2013 Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych backed out of the EU/NATO deal. That's when the violent side of the US led operation went into effect. To force Ukraine into the EU behind the facade of protest movements. Since that point the US and Russia have been in a violent proxy war.

The reason why the US wants Ukraine to join the EU/NATO is explained in great detail by various foreign policy advisers, going back to the late 1990's. They see Ukraine as the key nation which could make Russia a threat to US hegemony. Without Ukraine, they say, Russia will remain economically weak. With Ukraine Russia would be in its way to rebuilding the USSR "empire".

There's also the economic motivations. The so called "spreading democracy" bunkum is silly. That's what we're suppose to believe. That the US funneled billions of dollars and protest leaders into Ukraine in order to "spread democracy" when they in fact subverted Ukraine's political process.

Even if you think the US and EU are angels what does EU membership actually have to offer Ukraine? Austerity! More poverty. "Structural adjustment" which would make them a host to Western European parasites. Germany would probably drain them dry. Buy up all their resources/productive capabilities and put people to work in low wage hell holes which don't pay enough for food/shelter/clothing/medical care/transportation.

Those in Ukraine who actually do/did want to join the EU have been told lies. They think Ukraine will develope much in the same way as Germany or France but that's not going to happen.

a reply to: JeanPaul

Russia doesn't have the global network of well funded NGO's and other intel assets planted within various governments. They pretty much had to use force in reaction to the move made by the USA.

You don't think Russia doesn't have intel assets planted in various governments...your right the intelligence sector of the RUssian government is useless and can't do what the US does.

Russia had them in the Ukrainian government not long after they became an independent country. In fact they probably still do in Ukraine.

Even if you think the US and EU are angels what does EU membership actually have to offer Ukraine?

Well let's see a new trade area, better way of life...what does Russia offer them?

Germany would probably drain them dry. Buy up all their resources/productive capabilities and put people to work in low wage hell holes which don't pay enough for food/shelter/clothing/medical care/transportation.

Replace the name Germany with Russia and you are on the nose with that.

Those in Ukraine who actually do/did want to join the EU have been told lies.

And those lies are?

They think Ukraine will develope much in the same way as Germany or France but that's not going to happen.

And who thinks that?

a reply to: JeanPaul

If the goal was to get Ukraine to join NATO or the EU why wasn't their NATO application accepted back in 2008?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

If the goal was to get Ukraine to join NATO or the EU why wasn't their NATO application accepted back in 2008?

That was the plan all along just to get Putin to invade Ukraine...didn't your superiors brief you on that?

That fact is something others seem to forget.

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: stuthealien
im surprised he hasnt already done this,its all russian infrastructure in the ukraine,the ukraine belongs to russia,

Say what? Using that logic, the UK can go and lay claim to half of Africa and the India subcontinent, as they are all still using infrastructure built and paid for the the UK. Ukraine doesn't "belong" to anybody but the people of Ukraine and the sooner Russia get's that into her thick head, the better off everyone will be.

Honestly, these pro-Putin lot get crazier by the week....

So you agree that the United Kingdom should get out of the Falklands, get out of Cyprus, and get out of everywhere else except the United Kingdom, right?
I assume you also agree that the same should apply to all countries, and not just Russia.

What a simple, peaceful world we'd live if that were the case.
But reality check..

a reply to: mortex

Was Russia invited to the Ukraine? Are they welcome? If so, stay, if not, leave.

Is the UK welcome in the Falklands?

Of course your response literally had nothing to do with the post you replied to, which was in response to someone saying Russia payed for much of Ukraine's infrastructure, so that makes the Ukraine Russia's. The response you replied to said that is not how it works, the UK does not own most of Africa, much like Russia does not own the Ukraine. The person you replied to was using the same set of rules for everyone, unlike the Russian apologists.

originally posted by: occamsrazor04
a reply to: mortex

Was Russia invited to the Ukraine? Are they welcome? If so, stay, if not, leave.

Is the UK welcome in the Falklands?

Of course your response literally had nothing to do with the post you replied to, which was in response to someone saying Russia payed for much of Ukraine's infrastructure, so that makes the Ukraine Russia's. The response you replied to said that is not how it works, the UK does not own most of Africa, much like Russia does not own the Ukraine. The person you replied to was using the same set of rules for everyone, unlike the Russian apologists.

If my post is off topic why hasn't it been removed like other off topic posts by the usual propagandists on this site have had theirs removed a few posts above mine? Nice try though.

The Britisha bases aren't wanted in the Republic of Cyprus. Why do they keep them there? Why don't they leave?

American bases aren't wanted in South Korea, and the Japanese aren't fond of them either, despite what American propaganda tells people.
Do you think the average Arab in the Gulf states wants American and other western nations military bases there? There's a reason why the West backs those regimes and "royal families" and ignores the lack of democracy, but then talks about democracy elsewhere in the world.

The point of my post, and the other one, is to highlight the utter stupidity and hypocrisy and out right bs posted by some of you. Specifically the person who said that the Russian's aren't welcome in Ukraine so they should leave.
What's good for the goose...as the saying goes.

a reply to: mortex

Yes your post is off topic as well as wrong. North Korea actually stopped the hand over process. They were supposed to start taking control of all military locations. However President Park Geun-hye preliminarily agreed for a second time to postpone the planned dissolution. The US is obligated to protect them from the treaty and South Korea doesn't want to let that go. They are afraid the minute US trooPS leave they will be at war with a nuclear power.

Anywhere the US gas basses is either by request of the government or like in Australia they pay them to host a base. The US doesn't take territory and even in Japan they can ask anytime they want for US forces to leave. With what's going on the china sea though that won't happen.

a reply to: dragonridr

Actually its not just the US that is obligated to protect from a N. Korean attack. The Korean war never ended and the UN military command is still present and valid.

At the rate little kimmie is going his government is going to collapse and I will be shocked if he is not asked to pose for muzzle flashes.

a reply to: stumason

SO geeze I GUESS we have to give America back to you guys,I also guess the UK will NOW be pro gun....I struggle with people demanding things of others,particularly when it supports an illegal land grab.
I KNOW,I know...arrogant American...

a reply to: mortex

I live in Japan. I've taught English in South Korea too. Most people actually DO want the Americans in South Korea. Of course, there are those who balk at the idea of a foreign fighting force having bases in their country, but the South Koreans also understand that if the Americans weren't there, the Korean War would be back in full swing and the South would probably get steamrolled by the North's massive military complex and nuclear capabilities.

Most people I'm friends with in Japan are glad the Americans are here, too. Though the Okinawa residents aren't exactly happy about them being there. Mainly because Americans are SUPER rude when it comes to Japanese culture. Hell I consider myself rather sheepish and polite but even I had a heck of a time adjusting to Japanese culture. I digress. Japan and South Korea have American bases at the REQUEST of their respective governments.