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Has the spring offensive begun in the Ukraine ?

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posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: RussianAmericanJew

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Greathouse

If Mariopul falls, some people will continue to insist it was America's doing, even as the Russian flag is being run up over City Hall.


I had always wondered why the west didn't take a bigger stance against the Russian propagandist on the Internet . At this point I believe that they knew everyone would figure them out sooner or later .


Now I kind of you it like the Star Wars weapons program. Just about everybody realizes that the Russian troll army is a fact . So the west has very little problem with Russia spending billions needlessly on them.


Oh I see how it is, if I disagree with you from right here in Portland Oregon, then I'm a Russian troll.

How about you call up a SWAT team so they can execute me right here against the wall of my own house and just get it over with. That's what you want for the ones that disagree with you, right? Anybody who is against Russia is good, anybody who doesn't buy into fear based anti-Russian hysteria is a communist and needs to be shot, isn't that the game?

Even though I grew up in America as a kid, I was born in Russia, have family in Russia, I don't appreciate your blatant anti-Russian fear mongering, and my American Passport says that I don't have to either.



I was discussing it with another member. Why would you think I was talking about you?


Guilty conscience maybe?




posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Glassbender777



Actually there are claims that Russia has use actually there are claims that the separatist also used artillery and grad rockets in their offenses .

The information about artillery used by the Ukraine was from their own government. They're telling the truth another side is not but let's leave all that out of this .


Prove that DNR is lying. If can't, then you are the liar. The burned of proof is on you.



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse




The information about artillery used by the Ukraine was from their own government.

No. I've seen reports from US and UK volunteers , they are probably biased towards rebels, but they are not Russian government. youtu.be...



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: RussianAmericanJew

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: RussianAmericanJew

This is a report from Ukrainian stand point.

What are you trying to say ? That there are no military operations going on now or that the report is biased ?

Check pro rebel sites and you will see that there are indeed heavy fightings going on in the region.

As for who started it, I'm not sure. There was heavy shelling on Donetzk and Gorlovka last day/night. I wouldn't be surprised if rebel forces would start an offensive, yet we may never know who started this round of fighting.


Denying ignorance means CHECKING SOURCES, doing which on ATS will apparently get you labeled as a troll. This is nuts.



So do you deny this fighting took place in Ukraine ?


(post by RussianAmericanJew removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: RussianAmericanJew

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Glassbender777



Actually there are claims that Russia has use actually there are claims that the separatist also used artillery and grad rockets in their offenses .

The information about artillery used by the Ukraine was from their own government. They're telling the truth another side is not but let's leave all that out of this .


Prove that DNR is lying. If can't, then you are the liar. The burned of proof is on you.



I said there are claims you must not understand that definition ?



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: kitzik



I read a release from the Ukrainian government that admitted they were using artillery and claimed it was in defense .



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: RussianAmericanJew

A childish game is being paranoid enough to assume every post is about you .



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: RussianAmericanJew

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Glassbender777



Actually there are claims that Russia has use actually there are claims that the separatist also used artillery and grad rockets in their offenses .

The information about artillery used by the Ukraine was from their own government. They're telling the truth another side is not but let's leave all that out of this .


Prove that DNR is lying. If can't, then you are the liar. The burned of proof is on you.



I said there are claims you must not understand that definition ?



"They're telling the truth another side is not but let's leave all that out of this"



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: RussianAmericanJew

Have a snickers, you get a little shilly when you're hungry.


The spring offensive, regardless of who instigated it, was inevitable. As the winter's bite rolls away into Spring and Summer, troops are more willing to fight. Everyone here at ATS knew the Minsk 2.0 was basically a winter break from the fighting and time to reinforce troops and equipment on both sides.

Now if only Putin would finally admit to sending soldiers into Ukraine, and stop insisting they're there "On Vacation" and inexplicably coming home in bodybags. If you're gonna fight, at least be honest about it.
edit on 3-6-2015 by ScientificRailgun because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

If the reports of the attack are true. The rebels must have initiated the attack . The way you can tell is from the direction of the attack . Was the attack headed towards Donestk or away from rebel held territory ?


RussianJew pay particular attention to that first sentence . I am leaving it up for debate still as to whether or not this happened until more proof comes in.

So don't wig out and make claims to what I said again because so far your claims have been inaccurate on my opinions .
edit on 3-6-2015 by Greathouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
If the reports of the attack are true. The rebels initiated the attack . The way you can tell is from the direction of the attack . Was the attack headed towards Donestk or away from rubble held territory .


If Russia cannot keep their separatist allies under control and / or they work to over-turn the ceasefire the politics will get interesting. The EU have drawn the line in the sand and Putin knows it.

If push came to shove then I foresee Ukraine getting overt assistance from several European nations, such as Poland. This may take the form of some Western equipment that would nullify the Russian equipment support. I don't know what this would be, but some effective communications, intelligence and modern artillery radar et al may make all the difference.

In addition, turning up the economic sanctions may add pain on the already suffering Russian economy.

Putin has a clear choice. I wonder how stupid he really is?



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Greathouse
If the reports of the attack are true. The rebels initiated the attack . The way you can tell is from the direction of the attack . Was the attack headed towards Donestk or away from rubble held territory .


If Russia cannot keep their separatist allies under control and / or they work to over-turn the ceasefire the politics will get interesting. The EU have drawn the line in the sand and Putin knows it.

If push came to shove then I foresee Ukraine getting overt assistance from several European nations, such as Poland. This may take the form of some Western equipment that would nullify the Russian equipment support. I don't know what this would be, but some effective communications, intelligence and modern artillery radar et al may make all the difference.

In addition, turning up the economic sanctions may add pain on the already suffering Russian economy.

Putin has a clear choice. I wonder how stupid he really is?



I agree, despite overwhelming criticism from the world for Russian actions in the Ukraine .

Putin supporters seem to have taken the stance that the whole world's picking on them . Like I've said before, I've had the very same type of discussion with my grandchildren .



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Greathouse
If the reports of the attack are true. The rebels initiated the attack . The way you can tell is from the direction of the attack . Was the attack headed towards Donestk or away from rubble held territory .


If Russia cannot keep their separatist allies under control and / or they work to over-turn the ceasefire the politics will get interesting. The EU have drawn the line in the sand and Putin knows it.

If push came to shove then I foresee Ukraine getting overt assistance from several European nations, such as Poland. This may take the form of some Western equipment that would nullify the Russian equipment support. I don't know what this would be, but some effective communications, intelligence and modern artillery radar et al may make all the difference.

In addition, turning up the economic sanctions may add pain on the already suffering Russian economy.

Putin has a clear choice. I wonder how stupid he really is?



I agree, despite overwhelming criticism from the world for Russian actions in the Ukraine .

Putin supporters seem to have taken the stance that the whole world's picking on them . Like I've said before, I've had the very same type of discussion with my grandchildren .


It's the same strategy North Korea has used to keep it's people blind for decades. Blame all of your woes on the "Evil Capitalists in Washington DC and the UN" and suddenly your problems aren't your fault anymore. People naturally want to be assured that their misery isn't a result of their own doing, and it's easy to take advantage of that desire to keep people compliant.



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: RussianAmericanJew


That article is not even a hack job, it's a complete state propaganda fabrication, is this the kind of material that passes for news on ATS? How about some North Korean news, or Islamic State daily, or Jihadi Terrorist weekly, that will fit right in.


Or Russia Today?



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Or Russia Today?


Ah ha! On cue.

RT.com mouthpiece of Putin - all hail



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 06:52 PM
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seems to me there are young men dying on both sides,do we achieve anything by picking sides,
and our leaders drink champagne why our children die....................



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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Well Ukraine been shelling the east for months, it was only a matter of time before the east will start an offensive.



posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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Minks II was never a peace agreement, it was an agreement to re-arm. Clearly both sides have benefited from it, probably moreso the Russians since they need only call in a new order of weapons from Russia. Ukrainians don't have this option.



posted on Jun, 4 2015 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Greathouse
If the reports of the attack are true. The rebels initiated the attack . The way you can tell is from the direction of the attack . Was the attack headed towards Donestk or away from rubble held territory .


If Russia cannot keep their separatist allies under control and / or they work to over-turn the ceasefire the politics will get interesting. The EU have drawn the line in the sand and Putin knows it.

If push came to shove then I foresee Ukraine getting overt assistance from several European nations, such as Poland. This may take the form of some Western equipment that would nullify the Russian equipment support. I don't know what this would be, but some effective communications, intelligence and modern artillery radar et al may make all the difference.

In addition, turning up the economic sanctions may add pain on the already suffering Russian economy.

Putin has a clear choice. I wonder how stupid he really is?



I agree, despite overwhelming criticism from the world for Russian actions in the Ukraine .

Putin supporters seem to have taken the stance that the whole world's picking on them . Like I've said before, I've had the very same type of discussion with my grandchildren .


It's the same strategy North Korea has used to keep it's people blind for decades. Blame all of your woes on the "Evil Capitalists in Washington DC and the UN" and suddenly your problems aren't your fault anymore. People naturally want to be assured that their misery isn't a result of their own doing, and it's easy to take advantage of that desire to keep people compliant.


That and the variety !!! The Russians throw so much propaganda around they give the opportunity for everyone to like a version .


Currently there are two theories circulating around out of Russia. One is from a Russian official Investigation that says a Ukraine jet shot it down . The other one is from a Russian arms manufacture that says a Ukrainian BUK. ( If you're keeping track the second one supports their first version )?







 
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