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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
That kind of model requires a machine that can transform nothing into something. Currently that does not exist, and without a working economy providing impetus for people to work and innovate, it will never exist.
No matter what you want to believe, at some point in the chain, people have to work to produce the goods and services we all need. Even if that person is only working to keep the robots working.
I never said people wouldn't have to work.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
That kind of model requires a machine that can transform nothing into something. Currently that does not exist, and without a working economy providing impetus for people to work and innovate, it will never exist.
No matter what you want to believe, at some point in the chain, people have to work to produce the goods and services we all need. Even if that person is only working to keep the robots working.
It's funny, I hear people talk at length about wanting to work to provide a better future for their children, but as soon as a future is presented in which their children don't HAVE to work, it's suddenly "entitlement" this, "welfare queens" that, "lazy bums" and other things. Wouldn't you WANT to give your children a future where they're not breaking their backs to provide the same quality of life that you sacrificed your body and mind to give them?
originally posted by: EternalSolace
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
That kind of model requires a machine that can transform nothing into something. Currently that does not exist, and without a working economy providing impetus for people to work and innovate, it will never exist.
No matter what you want to believe, at some point in the chain, people have to work to produce the goods and services we all need. Even if that person is only working to keep the robots working.
I still think we're all not looking far enough into the future. While that reality isn't viable in our lifetimes, or the next, we are getting there.
Eventually the concept of work will become a thing of the past. The question is, can humanity overcome the mindset that if one generation works, the next generation must as well.
You really nailed it. If humanity can't evolve beyond the current monetary and economic system, we'll likely perish. Greed is a terrible emotion to have, and it drives SO many people in the world to do awful things today. It's infected our society, and we're slowly dying as a species because of it. It worked when we were still developing. The greedy and the strong lived to pass on their genes, but as we have moved beyond the simple "hunt, gather, reproduce" lifestyle, and into one where people can pursue passions, greed has become a vestigial emotion that hurts society more than it helps it.
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: MystikMushroom
Honestly, I think we can't evolve to a type 1 civilization or survive the transition from type 0 to type 1 if we don't figure out how to progress beyond a monetary motivation driven system.
I think the transition from a monetary system to ? ,will be the catalyst that either help humanity evolve or perish.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I never said people wouldn't have to work.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
That kind of model requires a machine that can transform nothing into something. Currently that does not exist, and without a working economy providing impetus for people to work and innovate, it will never exist.
No matter what you want to believe, at some point in the chain, people have to work to produce the goods and services we all need. Even if that person is only working to keep the robots working.
I said work would be optional. You don't think of the millions of people in the world, there wouldn't be someone who would delight in maintaining that equipment? I love to tinker and fix things, hell, sign me up.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: ketsuko
A society ruled by Greed, this is certainly true. And this is what we are, right now.
You're absolutely correct. Unless we move beyond greed, that is our future.