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Charles Kennedy, former Lib Dem leader found dead , aged 55

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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: stumason

Well we are going to have to disagree on that.

I think you know that the member probably was not aware of his battle with alcoholism, you also know it was meant as a innocent comment. I think you felt a need to to make issue out of this just try and demonstrate you are the smartest guy in the room and take the moral high ground, I have seen you take such potions before, targeting similarly trivial comments by members and blowing them out of all proportions.

I personally will be having a wee dram tonight in honour to the grate man who died to young

If you feel that is "crass" or somehow disrespectful.

Deal with it.
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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No, it's not about "being the smartest guy in the room", but actually about not being a nobhead and an uncaring individual.

The fact you "disagree" with it shows you haven't the faintest clue about alcoholism and how it affects people and those around them, instead trivialising it as "having a beer with mates".

But by all means, crack on.
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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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Alcohol killed my father, he knew it, we knew it, but we all got hammered on the £1000 he'd arranged behind the bar at his wake.
I'd have loved to have got drunk with Charles Kennedy, I bet he was a right laugh out of the camera's eye, he seemed a decent honest bloke, so yes even if alcohol killed him I'll raise a glass for him later tonight.

...I have actually attended a dance party back in the 90's which was in memory of someone who died after taking Ecstacy/MDMA, the siblings of the deceased were there off their heads like everyone else.
What may seem disrespectful to some is a tribute to others. Different perspectives and all that.

My kindest thoughts to the Kennedy family at this time though, I hope the media gives them space at this sad time of their personal loss.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:08 AM
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The fact you "disagree" with it shows you haven't the faintest clue about alcoholism and how it affects people and those around them, instead trivialising it as "having a beer with mates".


This is typal of ATS elitism.

You disagree with me so you I be ignorant.

I am ignorant of alcoholism because I disagree with you.

Again cannot help but notice your desire to nitpick at innocent comments in your quest to appear to be the smart guy and take the moral high ground is shining though.

Not that its any of your business, but I have been to at least 5 funeral of people close to me who all died due to their battle with the bottle, in my job i regularly work with people who have a alcohol dependants or some other form of substance missuse and I am actively involved in caring for these people and at times getting them specialised care.

So how dare you accuse me of being ignorant to the plight that alcoholism costs society!

Let me tell you a story, and I want you to know and understand this is not just some BS to further my argument rather this is me telling you like it is. I have actually sat and held the hand of a man who was a total stranger to me for a whole night as he told me how alcohol had destroyed his life, but he told me he had one last wish, knowing he was going to die, that i sit with him as he has a bottle of Miller. He got about half way through bottle and died as I held his hand.

So dont sit and judge on me or anyone else, you don't know me, you don't even know that it was the drink that killed Kennedy.

Honestly it pisses me off that you have baited me into a a silly and off-topic debate on "is it right to have a drink at a alcoholics funeral" when really what i want to be doing is discussing the life and career of Charles Kennedy.

So with that said would you please stop judging others who disagree with you as being some how ignorant and accept that some people might have a different view from your own. It does not make me right or your wrong or vice versa rather it is a difference in opinion, accept it, if you can't then I don't think adult debate and discussion is the place for you.

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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:15 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I highly doubt it was an "innocent comment" as described, because the poster knew of his love of the drink to make the statement.

Also, it isn't "elitism" - on the contrary (considering your own experiences) it is just indicative of societies attitudes to alcohol and the the total denial of the damage it causes.

As for views contrary to my own, all I did was point out that it was probably in bad taste to raise a drink to an alcoholics death. It was you who jumped down my throat in the first instance and made it personal with this post:
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So, perhaps if you don't like "ATS elitism", you should practice what you preach first?



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:17 AM
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Come on, knock this bollox on the head. None of us are invited to his funeral, so it's a pointless argument.
This is a thread about the man, not about who is the best "funeral goer".



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: stumason

Sorry but no the member was making a innocent comment you have blown it out of all proportions.

Now I really do not want to sit about and continue with this pointless debate as i have said in my above comment to you, I think the whole idea of debating "is it right to have a drink at a alcoholics funeral (on in their honour)" is pretty much off-topic.

So I am going to leave it at that so we can get back to discussing the topic at hand.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:19 AM
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a reply to: stumason

Drop it mate, time and a place to hold your hands up. Let the thread get back on topic or start a new one addressing your topic.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:21 AM
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Here's a link to Charles Kennedy's voting record in the House of Commons.
He seems an overall good guy looking through what he voted for, yep, judge the man on his record I say, and looking at what he championed in Parliament I say decent bloke.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Check this out as well.



Just goes to show how well the Lib-dems done under his leadership, I wonder how different politics would look today if he had stayed on as leader
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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:24 AM
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www.theguardian.com...

Some nice tributes in the Guardian from people who knew the man.

I don't think this is the place to debate the role of alcohol in our society.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Wow, that graph kind of shows how much the guy was liked by voters.
I liked that he didn't speak in that groomed 'media aware' style so boring with many politicians, I also bet if he hadn't had to stand down as leader things could have been very different for the Lib-Dems.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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Here's a short tribute to Charles Kennedy looking at his political history , rise and fall.


Sadly we will never know the leader he could have become without that monkey on his back.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: stumason

Get over yourself princess.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: DPrice
a reply to: stumason

Get over yourself princess.


At least the rest of them had the good decency to formulate an actual reply..

Anyhoo, I've shut up at the request of the other boozers in the thread. Maybe you could do the same?



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:51 AM
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Speaking politically I would say there are many people on the pro-EU who will mourn his loss. He was strongly for the union, and as he was not currently holding a seat in Parliament, I think he would have been a prominent figure in the 'Yes' campaign running up to the referendum.

Although I differ in political views regarding Europe, I recognise that Charles Kennedy would have been a formidable campaigner, and one who did not speak with forked tongue. People trusted him for that, and he certainly had my respect.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:56 AM
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R.I.P Charles!
He was probably one of the very few politicians I'd ever have supported. Principled, ethical, moral and a good sense of humour, never taking himself too seriously.
I always attributed his fall from the party leadership as having more to do with establishment pressure than any drinking issues. He wasn't one of the yes men drones selected, groomed and controlled by them so had to go.

A proper Gentleman and would have been a great leader for the UK.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 06:01 AM
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But I'm a boozer too. Cheers to Charles Kennedy! I'll be having a large one for him later on.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 06:05 AM
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Always seemed like a good man with the best intentions despite his battles. As others have said, he always seemed like a friendly, humble man; someone who'd be more than happy to sit down and chat about politics and spoke his mind, not party line which is unfortunately rare.

I think he was far too humane for politics, you could see the strain on him in the lead up to the Iraq War - he was not a happy man and fighting with everything he had to avoid the stupid conflict.
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posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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I realised that the fellow was a recovering alcoholic.

However, do soldiers not send off their comrades by firing guns into the air in salute, when they are taken in the line of duty? Do bikers not turn up in their hundreds when a mensch amongst their tribe dies on the road, mounted on their hogs and clogging the road around the cemetery?

Let us assume that my vices take me. Let us also assume that my friends and family see fit to celebrate my life in some manner when I am gone. Would I want them to shy away from the things that I enjoyed in life, to worry more about the decorum and solemnity of the situation, than remembering me in a manner which I would have approved of?

If I die in a moshpit , I would want my people to bang their heads at my funeral, and get crazy at my wake. I am just giving Mr Kennedy, what I would want myself if our roles were reversed.




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